Why all the hate for CBL (Captive-Bred Lion) Hunting?

I’m going to assume from your responses you’ve never been to Africa and simply want to argue. A farm they release CBL lions on is 2500-20000 acres. It is high fenced and all animals on it are property of the landowner. No one is encroaching on their borders. More CBL lions are released and shot on one farm than some entire countries have quota. A 100,000-500,000 acre concession area might only get 1 or 2 lions on quota. CBL is a farming supply chain model. Hunting wild lions is a conservation model.
100% right
Never been though I said that along with never hunted lion.

But like tx fl has game ranches
I know what a game ranch or farm is.
I never been to one. I have been invited but it was for a turkey and they don’t farm / ranch them.

I have honestly not coincided a cbl hunt
As said before didn’t really know it was that big of thing. The old books I read and the hunting shows don’t really talk about it.

My problem is why some need to do or not do something because of someone else’s ethics or ethical problem with what they are doing.
when ethics really does mean any thing.
They change over time the change with location
They change with tridition
They change depending on scermatance

If they change there no true meaning and I will not for one do or not do something because of someone else’s ethics

Just like I will not flow the laws of Judisam why I am not a Jew. Just that simple
 
And yet the progressives say the same thing? :unsure: It’s almost as if human nature is pretty consistent across the board.

I like history, heritage, patriotism as much as the next guy but it’s a bit much to bring that stuff up here.

We have laws that you follow do you not? That’s the federal, state and local governments saying what you can/can’t do so please spare me the war/feud nonsense.
No it’s just historical
I actually think people from the south are a bit nuts. Don’t know if it’s the heat or bugs.

As far as laws. That’s laws not ethics.
Big difference there.
An to be 100 % honest. No I don’t go by all laws never have.
I actually said that in a early post
I will deal with the fall out if I have to with my law breaking.
 
After 14 pages of repeat posts I am laughing. Round and round.
:LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

Will say same after next 14 pages. On and on.

MB
 
No it’s just historical
I actually think people from the south are a bit nuts. Don’t know if it’s the heat or bugs.

As far as laws. That’s laws not ethics.
Big difference there.
An to be 100 % honest. No I don’t go by all laws never have.
I actually said that in a early post
I will deal with the fall out if I have to with my law breaking.
Well we are talking about something that will be banned soon (hopefully). So yea legality is a valid topic for discussion.
 
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Well we are talking about something that will be banned soon (hopefully). So yea legality is a valid point.

There are crazy people everywhere if you haven’t noticed.
Hey if they out law it that’s a complete different thing.
And on the war fude thing I in no way meant anything in this post. Just a historical perspective on people here not liking being told what to do

Honestly I am a little out of tuch with modern life. My dad was the youngest of my grandpa kids
My grandpa was born in the 1880s
They looked at stuff different.
 
Judge not and you will not be judged…

I consider myself to be a hunter of over 50 years. But what gives me or any human the right to kill other living things? If we hunt and kill for anything other than survival, is it morally and/or ethically right? Wow! This would be especially true of us sport hunters. Taking that up a step, hunting for a trophy is even more unethical. Killing any living thing so one can have it stuffed to hang it on their wall and pound their chests about how superior they were to the dead, stuffed creature. But were we superior at all?

Considering even more, the noble and majestic African lion seems to be more important than a mouse or cockroach in one’s house. Aren’t they all creatures from the creator (God) just as we were? We don’t think twice about exterminating vermin in or near our homes.

Another comparison is beef from cattle raised/fed on a feed lot. Add to them is the veal from calves. Not all calves and mature cows are raised in family-friendly environments. Personally I “killed” an American bison for meat. It wasn’t much of a hunt at all. Was it unethical? Not to me, my family is still enjoying the bison meat. Now, if I went to a ranch in Texas or New Mexico and paid for the privilege of hunting bison for a couple days, would that be hunting if it had a 95% or better chance of success? Is that unethical?

The lion is an apex predator as are humans. In a fair fight, the lion will win every time. But man uses his intelligence to develop weapons superior to the lion’s vision, claws, teeth, strength and speed. Modern humans stack the odds in their favor. Most wild lions are hunted from a blind with a scoped high powered rifle. I am not discounting the huge amount of work require to slay and hang bait in multiple locations. Nor do I think that when a shoot-able lion appears on the bait it is necessarily very easy to shoot accurately. But a lion on bait doesn’t know a hunter is pursuing it. If it did, it would not even come close to the bait. Is that fair? If it is not fair how can it be ethical? Isn’t that like shooting another man in the back?

And who is doing the hunting? The PH plans the strategy of the hunt. The trackers execute most of the tactical portion up until the PH tells the “hunter” which animal to shoot. Then the hunter shoots and hopefully makes a clean kill. So, who is really hunting and how is just killing?

Captive bread lions (CBL) are bread to be hunted and killed. So are cows, chickens, pigs, and gosh know what else that most people, most hunters regularly consume. We eat meat from creatures that only exist to feed us. Other than PETA, who cares? How are those creatures any different than CBL lions? We do however follow the trackers pursuing those lions. I found that to be a satisfying hunt even it my chances at success were very near 100%.

Are CBL lions hunted or just slaughtered like beef cattle? Well, personally I would not try to place a captive bolt pistol ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol ) against a lion’s head. Chances are it would be snacking on my arm!

Are CBL lions trophies? They are for some hunters (yes hunters) but certainly not for the record books. For others, CBL lions will always be a stain on other “real” hunters. The difference is a matter of one’s perception.

Some subjects are best for people to agree to disagree. Otherwise it is so easy to judge others, to disrespect them for believing and practicing something different. I think that is the route of tribalism, hate, and many of the problems in this world.

As hunters we have 98% of all in common. Let’s not that the 2% difference divide us which will eventually lead to all of us being conquered by those who truly hate us for what we are and do.
 
15 pages and I believe we are finally coming to a consensus! I will check back in another 15 pages.

HH
 
The water is so muddy now! Apparently put and take is acceptable now. The pro-cbl crowd bemoan the antis but the damage is largely self inflicted. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: It’s wild to see such blatant support for something that is almost universally accepted as unethical. Personally I can’t wait for it to be banned. After that the cope will be that “RSA gave in to the antis”. The same thing they say about SCI and DSC etc. “they gave in to the antis”. If that’s not mental gymnastics I don’t know what is. Wild that so many people that are members of these orgs condone and participate in something that the orgs explicitly condemn.
 

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