Why Do Hunters Choose Not To Shoot?

Human hunters behave differently from natural predators though. For instance, natural predators aren’t interested in trophy hunting, so they don’t target animals that would look good on their walls. Natural predators also aren’t reluctant to kill the young, whereas human hunters tend to avoid this.

The writer never met a straw hat. They kill anything that walks, crawls or eats their income. Where they live, there are no game animals, no mice, or no ground living varmints. The literally follow the Bible, to whit: Genesis 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Then again, maybe they don't fit the description of a hunter.
 
Sometimes you don't want to shoot because you grow fond of a particular animal.
The Roe buck laying down in the field behind me is one of those.
I had been seeing him all year but I never shot him. He's a perfect buck to take, a young animal with a weird curly antler and I doubt he will turn into a decent buck but whenever I went stalking I saw him.
He was bold and inquisitive and although I put my sights on him several times I just couldn't squeeze the trigger.
He was always about, going about his business.
When the rut came around he would always come to the call and approach me very close.
The morning I took the selfie with him, he had been round and round me three times, circling me about 30m away. Every time I used the caller he would appear.
The last time he was absolutely knackered, mouth open and panting.
Eventually he obviously thought "sod it, I'm not running about anymore" and lay down in the field about 40m away where we remained in companionable silence until I moved away.
I could've shot him easily but I liked seeing him and would prefer to go home with nothing than just shoot him because I could.

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Here's a buck that used to come in to my backyard just about every night nibbling on bird feed and corn I threw out for the squirrels. I think he was hooked on sunflower seeds. Sometimes I would see him at daybreak. Like Adrian posted, I sort of got to liking Mr. Clueless and never hunted him. It would have been too easy. My back deck is in the background. I was in the room adjacent watching TV.

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I had a deer that we would see every day this past season as well. He’s just a young buck and his left antler hung under his jaw. As @Adrian and @Hogpatrol said, the more we saw him the more fond of him we grew. Somehow he got the name Floppy and was on the “do not shoot” list. We’re very curious to see what he’ll look like next year!
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Treestand 20', tied off well, light southwest warm breeze. Look at my watch, it's 3:30, sundown is a little after 5. I'll just rest my eyelids for a second. SKNXX-X Open eyelids. It's 4:45. Wonder if I missed anything.
BigSteve57,
Please consider adding to your list this reason:
"Asleep in the blind"


I really am too old for such games.


I've often wondered if I shouldn't deliberately try to catch a power nap.

Seems to work well for the Canada lynx: They stalk into an area and the various creatures of the forest squawk, call, and alert each other of its presence. So they do what cats do - curl up into a ball and catch some sleep...

... and the hunting grounds calm down, the prey animals go about their business, and the lynx is free to go for a productive hunt when it wakes.
 
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Sometimes you don't want to shoot because you grow fond of a particular animal.
The Roe buck laying down in the field behind me is one of those.
I had been seeing him all year but I never shot him. He's a perfect buck to take, a young animal with a weird curly antler and I doubt he will turn into a decent buck but whenever I went stalking I saw him.
He was bold and inquisitive and although I put my sights on him several times I just couldn't squeeze the trigger.
He was always about, going about his business.
When the rut came around he would always come to the call and approach me very close.
The morning I took the selfie with him, he had been round and round me three times, circling me about 30m away. Every time I used the caller he would appear.
The last time he was absolutely knackered, mouth open and panting.
Eventually he obviously thought "sod it, I'm not running about anymore" and lay down in the field about 40m away where we remained in companionable silence until I moved away.
I could've shot him easily but I liked seeing him and would prefer to go home with nothing than just shoot him because I could.

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@Adrian, it’s a good thing you have an explanation before your photo, without it, it sort of appears that you are not yet recovered from the shock of your ladder collapsing. :)
 
@Adrian, it’s a good thing you have an explanation before your photo, without it, it sort of appears that you are not yet recovered from the shock of your ladder collapsing. :)
I can see how it looks but the ladder is nothing to do with myself or hunting! It's a stairway to a tree house that has been a work in progress for a couple of years by the landowners. It's currently just a platform which is useful to shelter under when it's raining or to stand by when I'm hunting and want something to lean against. ;)
 
I am not much of a hunter. I will hunt for meat or to eliminate predators or sick, but not for trophy. Recently we saw a very large Elk with huge antlers. My ELRS instructor said, "Someone is going to get a fine trophy tomorrow, he is beautiful." We were not hunting, just target shooting. I turned to him and said, "Why would you shoot him if he is, as you say, beautiful?" He said, "Because his head would look good on my wall." We agreed to disagree. To each his own.
 
I am not much of a hunter. I will hunt for meat or to eliminate predators or sick, but not for trophy. Recently we saw a very large Elk with huge antlers. My ELRS instructor said, "Someone is going to get a fine trophy tomorrow, he is beautiful." We were not hunting, just target shooting. I turned to him and said, "Why would you shoot him if he is, as you say, beautiful?" He said, "Because his head would look good on my wall." We agreed to disagree. To each his own.
You may find yourself agreeing to disagree quite a bit on this site if that’s the case. But as you say, to each his own. Welcome aboard.
 
Yes, I understand that. And I am ok with that if you guys are. I like precision shooting, whether for trophy or targets. Its our common interest. Maybe one day I will try Africa. The owner of the Tripple 7 ranch is a big game hunter in South Africa and is a great guy. He has about a million acres in Africa. This 5500 acre ranch is just a place to relax. We sat at breakfast and had Dove breasts that he had just shot. It was all I could do to keep from asking him if a wounded Dove had ever charged him....LOL I bit my tongue, but I think he would have laughed if I had asked.
 
Another reason I won't shoot a game animal, is when I was ONCE in a tree stand. This was in Ohio and I was hunting with the next door neighbor on his cousin's property. We both had our pheasant shotguns with slugs, while his cousin had a scoped, rifled barreled shotgun with sabot bullets. I was told I needed to be in a tree stand or the deer would smell me. So, I climbed about a 16' ladder to a wooden seat with no rails. Then, the wind started to blow a little and the tree was swaying and there was nothing to hold onto. After about an hour, I got the HE** down from there and sat next to a tree. NEVER again! My neighbor did shoot a small buck not far from where I was sitting by the tree. The next day was snowing a little with the wind in my face as I sat on a bucket in heavy cover. At dusk, I had an opportunity to shoot a small buck, but I passed it up cause this was a narrow piece of property and I was afraid if I shot and wounded it, it would go onto the adjacent landowner's property. The cousin lambasted me for not shooting it, because he knew the landowner and it wouldn't have been a problem to go after it. We'll he didn't tell me that before we started hunting! Anyway. live and learn.
 
This is a thread about not shooting and falling asleep came up.
HOWEVER many times I have nodded off then woken up to game of all sorts, after seeing nothing for hours, has had me wondering all these years...
Sitting in a tree stand or stand hunting on the ground causes me to squirm around after a while.
I've often thought if nodding off and being TOTALLY still just might help me to keep from scaring game. Might nodding off actually help sometimes?
What say you all?
 
This is a thread about not shooting and falling asleep came up.
HOWEVER many times I have nodded off then woken up to game of all sorts, after seeing nothing for hours, has had me wondering all these years...
Sitting in a tree stand or stand hunting on the ground causes me to squirm around after a while.
I've often thought if nodding off and being TOTALLY still just might help me to keep from scaring game. Might nodding off actually help sometimes?
What say you all?

Thought I had caught you with my earlier comment, but was actually someone quoting you.

Count me in as part of the crowd that thinks it is beneficial: Instead of fidgeting away for an hour when settling in, a quick nap. Everything around is likely going to be spooked by the sound of me breaking through the snow to get to the post anyway.

I've always favoured grey wool on the basis that 25 000 years of evolution can't be wrong when it comes to the coats of the local predators, might have to extend that and start taking a page from the lynx's book and have a quick nap and let things settle down around me.
 
This is a thread about not shooting and falling asleep came up.
HOWEVER many times I have nodded off then woken up to game of all sorts, after seeing nothing for hours, has had me wondering all these years...
Sitting in a tree stand or stand hunting on the ground causes me to squirm around after a while.
I've often thought if nodding off and being TOTALLY still just might help me to keep from scaring game. Might nodding off actually help sometimes?
What say you all?
I have no doubt it helps unless you sleep right through the moment you should be awake. Staying still for hours is challenging to say the least...especially when mother nature starts tapping you on the shoulder reminding you of the limit your bladder can take.

But I'm a firm believer that wildlife is as much alarmed by what they don't hear as what they do. If you're squirming around enough that the squirrels aren't scampering and the birds aren't singing near you, then you're likely not filling your tag as easily. At least not the close shot you're looking for.

For example, a buddy and I were bowhunting a piece of public land. At 50 yards apart I could see him, and he wasn't exactly trying to be invisible. While birds were landing next to me, there was nothing moving or chirping anywhere close to him. Later I watched a doe with a fawn feeding in his direction just over an embankment from him. They could not have seen him and they were down wind. But the doe stopped and stared around for awhile, turned, and slowly walked away. That convinced me to sit still more than anything. I think even though she didn't hear or smell him she must have felt something wasn't right and walked away. Not alarmed, just avoided. Birds and squirrels aren't around if a predator is near either. So human or not, if they're not hearing the normal sounds...something is up.

IMHO it was what she didn't hear that caused her to avoid the area.

My 2 cents.
 
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Hunting animals, like deer, is often important to keeping their population at a reasonable size. In areas where natural predators are few or nonexistent, the only way to control populations of certain species is through human hunting.

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Human hunters behave differently from natural predators though. For instance, natural predators aren’t interested in trophy hunting, so they don’t target animals that would look good on their walls. Natural predators also aren’t reluctant to kill the young, whereas human hunters tend to avoid this. And human hunters may make other decisions about what to kill based on factors we don’t really understand.

To understand how these factors might influence prey populations, a group of researchers in Norway, Germany, and the Netherlands published a paper that tries to predict hunter behavior. The peculiarities of human hunting create a distinctive evolutionary pressure. Populations of animals that are hunted by humans are different from those that are hunted by natural predators. Features that are prized as trophies (like large antlers) disappear from the population quickly. And the population may continue growing, precisely because mothers with young are often left undisturbed.

So although hunting can play a role in maintaining ecosystems, we need to understand how human hunters behave. This makes it possible to predict their choices and how those choices will change the population of hunted animals. In turn, this makes it possible to direct conservation policy in a way that ensures the sustainability of the hunted population.

The researchers consider a hypothetical situation in which a hunter is confronted with a deer and has to choose whether to shoot that deer or wait for another one. Many factors are involved in that decision. Obviously, the hunter’s perception of the quality of the animal plays a role. Where deer sightings are rare and the hunter knows they might not see another one, they might be more inclined to shoot a sure thing rather than wait for a better-quality animal. Depending on the region, there might be other constraints, like quotas, the time left in the hunting season, and the competition pressure from other hunters.

The researchers treat all of these factors as an economic problem and plug them into equations that predict how a hunter will respond to different situations. The model predicts that the more competition from other hunters, the fewer days left in the season, and the lower the probability of seeing an animal all increase the likelihood that a hunter will fire rather than wait.

So far, this matches up with common sense, but it’s also entirely hypothetical. People often march cheerfully in a different direction from what models predict, so checking the predictions against real-world data is important. Luckily, hunters in Norway are required by law to report how many hunters went out in a group, how long they hunted, how many deer they saw, and how many they shot. Gathering this data from 256 locations over 10 years provided a solid data set for real-world testing.

The researchers used this data to calculate the probability of a male deer being shot by a hunter in various scenarios. As predicted by the theoretical model, the probability was higher when competition with other hunters was an issue, when days remaining in the season were few, and when there was a lower probability of seeing a deer in the first place.

This recent work doesn’t tackle all questions about individual choices. This research looks at Norway, but other locations may have widely varying pressures—for instance, a region may have no quotas (unlike Norway), or a region may be full of hunters who are pressured to bring home food from a hunt. Hunters who come from different social groups behave differently, too: this data showed a difference between weekend and weekday behavior, suggesting that local hunters who hunt during the week behave differently from non-residents who come in on weekends. Figuring out how different social groups behave would help policymakers to make more accurate predictions.

Right now, models are used to estimate how hunting will affect the size of a population. Population size is an important factor for makers of conservation policy, but “there is increasing concern that hunting, and in particular strongly selective hunting, may have unexpected ecological and evolutionary consequences,” the researchers write.

An analysis like this could help to address the problem of high selectivity among hunters. For instance, by changing the duration of the hunting season or the number of competing hunters, it might be possible to influence the selectivity of the hunters. Just looking at the number of animals shot isn’t enough to inform conservation, the researchers write: “To achieve sustainability, future wildlife management should account for the predictable manner by which social constraints and underlying intuitions shape the emerging selection pattern.”

Download the original paper: How constraints affect the hunter’s decision to shoot a deer. Diekert F K, Richter A, Rivrud I M & Mysterud A. www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1607685113

Author: Cathleen O’Grady ARS Technica
too small or chance of wounding only reason here n daawgland
 
Thought I had caught you with my earlier comment, but was actually someone quoting you.

Count me in as part of the crowd that thinks it is beneficial: Instead of fidgeting away for an hour when settling in, a quick nap. Everything around is likely going to be spooked by the sound of me breaking through the snow to get to the post anyway.

I've always favoured grey wool on the basis that 25 000 years of evolution can't be wrong when it comes to the coats of the local predators, might have to extend that and start taking a page from the lynx's book and have a quick nap and let things settle down around me.
Yes - crash through the woods to get to your stand and then wait for hours for something to appear. It's happened to me many times. I've been most alert when I just got to my stand. Know what? Waste of time. Get to your stand then take a nap because the game is long gone - for a while.
 
Many years ago after drawing blanks on multiple deer hunts, my brother drew a doe tag. So he and I are out hunting and I spot a couple does below us in the thicket and pull bro over to take a shot. He studies them until they got bored and left. By now I am about jumping up and down! No shot. I said WTH were you doing?!!? Says bro, I was looking for antlers!!!! You boob, you have a doe tag!!!! Oh, yeah, I forgot....... OY!!
 
As I get older I find sometimes I just don’t feel like killing something at the time. I am a meat hunter so sometimes I get pickier after I have venison in the freezer. I won’t shoot a doe that has smaller fawns with her. I try not to shoot button bucks either. Sometimes I just enjoy watching critters go about their business.
 
I like throwing rocks at them more.

If I have a tag for the female of the species I'll shoot the first one that I see if I have decided that they are a easy pack out. I have also decided that there isn't a cow elk out there that is worth packing more than 50 yards to where I can drive to.

As for other animals it will depend if I need meat for the freezer or if I am looking for a bigger one.
 
To be honest I prefer to eat the does. Although I quit shooting the matriarchs for the same reason I quit shooting old bucks they are both tough as shoe leather.
 

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