Will the tariffs affect safari pricing or airline tickets??

[Mtn_Infantry]

Pretty stupid business model.

If say 80%+ of their customers are European, it's not really that dumb of a business model to advertise that. It becomes a marketing ploy to capture more European business, by seeming empathetic to their grievances and alienating a customer base they're not presently targeting or servicing. Where it becomes dumb is if they alienate their largest customer demographic for a smaller one. Bud Light might be a perfect example of this.

My experience has been outfitters primarily cater to one demographic or area. IE; you've got outfitters who mostly take European clients, others who take mainly American clients, some who cater to Spanish clients, and others who focus on local hunters. That's not saying they don't take a group from another country or continent a few times a year. Even if we look at outfitters here in the states, I see patterns with outfitters who get a lot of clients from one state or region. Some has to do with where they're originally from, but also what shows they do, and their past client base talking to family and friends about them.

Where I feel outfitters deviate from this is when they do mostly higher-end specialty hunts or full bag hunts, or if they're a well-known PH with some sort of following.

 

[RLD]

I would venture to say that the outfitter doesn’t understand. Somehow the US is the villain when we impose a 30% tariff on South African goods but it’s perfectly okay for South Africa to impose a 60% tariff on US goods.

I won't speak for the outfitter but the average rate of S.A. tariffs on U.S. goods is about 7.5%.

You didn't think that chart that was put out showing tariffs by the Whitehouse actually had tariff numbers in it did you?

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/economy/facts-dont-support-trumps-reasoning-for-a-30-tariff-on-sa/

 

[mdwest]

@mdwest - you’re right that it took 25 years for the Market to recover from the 1929 Crash, remember that Crash saw the market fall by almost 90% and if that happens again - we are all in. World of Hurt. Every market drop since then has been much much LESS of a crash and the next worst crash was in 1987 - that recovered in a few years —-then builds back up to New record levels and ‘crashes again’…happens over and over. We are all just along for the ride..at least I am - I am Not a Wizard of Wall Street.

Agreed that 1929 was a whole lot worse than 2008... that said.. the timeline issue still remains..

It took 6 years (2014) before the DOW returned to its same value pre the 2008 crash.. It was 2016 (Trump coming into office for the first time) before any gains of any real substance over 2008 values were realized...

So we're talking 8 full years before the guys that were sitting on "Im financially prepared for retirement" level funds were back at that same number..

No big deal if you're 40 at the time it happens...

Very big deal if you're 60.. and now rather than punching out at 65, you're just hoping to get there by 68..

Granted a SMART investor would have moved most of their portfolio over to less risky, more stable investments by the time they are 60.. and their 2008 losses wouldn't have likely been as severe as the much younger guy that's got money tied up in more volatile investments..

But the point remains.. time doesn't matter much to the people that have a lot of it.. they will ultimately recover..

But time is a HUGE factor for those that have a limited amount left.. because not only will their losses be less.. their recoveries when investing in safer options will also be slower and lower..

 

[HWL]

For instance, the news of Europe proposing a 0-0 tariff policy with the US is merely a few minutes old.

This will not solve the US problems.
Because the Europeans have do much nice stuff the Americans like so much,.... same with China.

HWL

 

[BJH65]

If say 80%+ of their customers are European, it's not really that dumb of a business model to advertise that. It becomes a marketing ploy to capture more European business, by seeming empathetic to their grievances and alienating a customer base they're not presently targeting or servicing. Where it becomes dumb is if they alienate their largest customer demographic for a smaller one. Bud Light might be a perfect example of this.

My experience has been outfitters primarily cater to one demographic or area. IE; you've got outfitters who mostly take European clients, others who take mainly American clients, some who cater to Spanish clients, and others who focus on local hunters. That's not saying they don't take a group from another country or continent a few times a year. Even if we look at outfitters here in the states, I see patterns with outfitters who get a lot of clients from one state or region. Some has to do with where they're originally from, but also what shows they do, and their past client base talking to family and friends about them.

Where I feel outfitters deviate from this is when they do mostly higher-end specialty hunts or full bag hunts, or if they're a well-known PH with some sort of following.

I have no idea if their client base is 80% European, perhaps so but they have them anyways why alienate, perhaps permanently, the other 20% when it’s simply not necessary? Seems like most SA outfitters vie pretty hard for clients. No, it’s a stupid business model.

 

[Hunt anything]

I won't speak for the outfitter but the average rate of S.A. tariffs on U.S. goods is about 7.5%.

You didn't think that chart that was put out showing tariffs by the Whitehouse actually had tariff numbers in it did you?

https://www.moneyweb.co.za/news/economy/facts-dont-support-trumps-reasoning-for-a-30-tariff-on-sa/

Hey it’s on the internet so it “has” to be real doesn’t it! Since no politician would ever lie to us . LOL!

 

[RLD]

I have no idea if their client base is 80% European, perhaps so but they have them anyways why alienate, perhaps permanently, the other 20% when it’s simply not necessary? Seems like most SA outfitters vie pretty hard for clients. No, it’s a stupid business model.

If I had to guess I would say it was not a business decision. More a patriotic one.

 

[mdwest]

This will not solve the US problems.
Because the Europeans have do much nice stuff the Americans like so much,.... same with China.

HWL

Im not understanding your comment? If Europe does agree to 0:0 tariffs on industrial products (which appears to be true according to numerous sources), and the US agrees to those terms.. and both sides reduce their tariffs to 0... how does that not solve the problem?

Im not understanding what nice stuff Europeans have to do that Americans like so much?

As a rule Americans are significant buyers of European consumer products.. by in large Europeans don't buy a lot of American consumer products though.. for example my dish washing machine is a bosch.. (a company headquartered in Stuttgardt, Germany)... but I am fairly certain you do not have an American company's dishwasher in your home... my daughter drives a volvo (that my wife once drove).. 125K volvos were sold in the US in 2024... but there is virtually zero market for American cars in Sweden.. Americans buy more than $2.5B in wine from France every year and $2.1B from Italy.. but only sells about $500M to the entirety of Europe...

What Europe does buy from the US in large quantities in industrial materials (plastics, chemicals, crude oil, etc).. the typical angry European consumer doesn't make those purchases.. its large scale European businesses and European governments that make those purchases..

 

[Mtn_Infantry]

I have no idea if their client base is 80% European, perhaps so but they have them anyways why alienate, perhaps permanently, the other 20% when it’s simply not necessary? Seems like most SA outfitters vie pretty hard for clients. No, it’s a stupid business model.

Most Americans who might consider hunting with them in a year or two will likely never know about the post or know to look for it. I’m not sure of their actual client make-up but know a number of South African outfitters price/cater to certain countries. Given that most of this outfitters Facebook posts are in German rather than English if Afrikaans I’d wager they heavily cater to the German customer market.

 

[CoElkHunter]

Im not understanding your comment? If Europe does agree to 0:0 tariffs on industrial products (which appears to be true according to numerous sources), and the US agrees to those terms.. and both sides reduce their tariffs to 0... how does that not solve the problem?

Im not understanding what nice stuff Europeans have to do that Americans like so much?

As a rule Americans are significant buyers of European consumer products.. by in large Europeans don't buy a lot of American consumer products though.. for example my dish washing machine is a bosch.. (a company headquartered in Stuttgardt, Germany)... but I am fairly certain you do not have an American company's dishwasher in your home... my daughter drives a volvo (that my wife once drove).. 125K volvos were sold in the US in 2024... but there is virtually zero market for American cars in Sweden.. Americans buy more than $2.5B in wine from France every year and $2.1B from Italy.. but only sells about $500M to the entirety of Europe...

What Europe does buy from the US in large quantities in industrial materials (plastics, chemicals, crude oil, etc).. the typical angry European consumer doesn't make those purchases.. its large scale European businesses and European governments that make those purchases..

You really can’t tell where many products are made anymore by only the brand name. The Bosch ac condenser coil I had installed last year at my home was made in China. The used 2021 VW Atlas vehicle we bought last September was made in Mexico. The fireplace blower I installed in 2002 was made in Germany. Lasted until February of this year. They’re all made in China now or at least the ones I could find to replace it. I’ll bet your Bosch dishwasher was made in Mexico or China? Point being, we’ll see soon how tariffs affect all of these products coming into the U.S. and how supply chains will be affected.

 

[Spearhead]

The only thing I've seen specifically was a post on Facebook by Jarandi Hunting in RSA saying they will be raising their prices 30% for Americans. Seems rather stupid to piss off customers from your largest market.

https://www.facebook.com/huntinginsouthafrica/posts/pfbid02Z54VP3smToyFdQiNgfRcjih69avpd5GMst2L9xRkHWh4iTd81t7H3Wh8YDJFqEZ3l

Sounds like a great business model for clueless people.

 

[Milo]

The only thing I've seen specifically was a post on Facebook by Jarandi Hunting in RSA saying they will be raising their prices 30% for Americans. Seems rather stupid to piss off customers from your largest market.

https://www.facebook.com/huntinginsouthafrica/posts/pfbid02Z54VP3smToyFdQiNgfRcjih69avpd5GMst2L9xRkHWh4iTd81t7H3Wh8YDJFqEZ3l

He said that was a tariff, so I assume he's turning that over to the ANC.

 

[Spearhead]

I have no idea if their client base is 80% European, perhaps so but they have them anyways why alienate, perhaps permanently, the other 20% when it’s simply not necessary? Seems like most SA outfitters vie pretty hard for clients. No, it’s a stupid business model.

I read it as, we don't prefer American customers, but if you really want to hunt with us, you're gonna pay for it heavily. I also read it as, an outfit to avoid and spend my money where it is appreciated and have an enjoyable welcoming safari. I also read it as, F'em, I wasn't interested anyway. All good for me, easy to move on.

 

[kpoynter]

The only thing I've seen specifically was a post on Facebook by Jarandi Hunting in RSA saying they will be raising their prices 30% for Americans. Seems rather stupid to piss off customers from your largest market.

https://www.facebook.com/huntinginsouthafrica/posts/pfbid02Z54VP3smToyFdQiNgfRcjih69avpd5GMst2L9xRkHWh4iTd81t7H3Wh8YDJFqEZ3l

Is this even real LOL? Can’t be is it?
Americans are, I believe, 85% of the market if I remember correctly.
Surely no one is this stupid

 

[BJH65]

Most Americans who might consider hunting with them in a year or two will likely never know about the post or know to look for it. I’m not sure of their actual client make-up but know a number of South African outfitters price/cater to certain countries. Given that most of this outfitters Facebook posts are in German rather than English if Afrikaans I’d wager they heavily cater to the German customer market.

Maybe, but Americans do make up a significant number of the African hunting clientele and to alienate them over posting a stupid impulsive social media outburst that some will be happy to share this information to prospective American clients on one of the most popular African hunting sites was beyond stupid so it is good that they have a mainly European client base now and hopefully for them in the foreseeable future.

 

[WyoBull]

The people who panic and make moves to get out of the market during these times are making a big mistake. I just retired this past September and yes, my retirement portfolio is down quite a bit. But, you have to stay the course. I have a great financial adviser and he is not panic'ing at all over what is going on. I trust him and will continue on the same budget we planned on when I retired.
This kind of reminds me of that guy on the plane shouted out "we are all going to die, the plane is going down" every time the plane hit some turbulence.

 

[bashaw]

This will not solve the US problems.
Because the Europeans have do much nice stuff the Americans like so much,.... same with China.

HWL

Europe does have nice stuff , not sure about China having nice stuff except for a cheap almost slave like workforce. Back to Europe maybe the EU should take care of there own defense or at least pay a fair share

 

[HWL]

Im not understanding your comment? If Europe does agree to 0:0 tariffs on industrial products (which appears to be true according to numerous sources), and the US agrees to those terms.. and both sides reduce their tariffs to 0... how does that not solve the problem?

Im not understanding what nice stuff Europeans have to do that Americans like so much?

As a rule Americans are significant buyers of European consumer products.. by in large Europeans don't buy a lot of American consumer products though.. for example my dish washing machine is a bosch.. (a company headquartered in Stuttgardt, Germany)... but I am fairly certain you do not have an American company's dishwasher in your home... my daughter drives a volvo (that my wife once drove).. 125K volvos were sold in the US in 2024... but there is virtually zero market for American cars in Sweden.. Americans buy more than $2.5B in wine from France every year and $2.1B from Italy.. but only sells about $500M to the entirety of Europe...

What Europe does buy from the US in large quantities in industrial materials (plastics, chemicals, crude oil, etc).. the typical angry European consumer doesn't make those purchases.. its large scale European businesses and European governments that make those purchases..

This is exactly what I said.
0.0 tariffs do not solve the problems.
Even than, there will be an US deficit.
And even than, the European do not trust the Americans any longer.

HWL

 

[HWL]

Europe does have nice stuff , not sure about China having nice stuff except for a cheap almost slave like workforce. Back to Europe maybe the EU should take care of there own defense or at least pay a fair share

I think, exactly this will happen.
The Europeans will find a solution with the Russians.
And the Americans will leave Europe.
In the ground of my heart, I am sad about the last one.

HWL

 

[JimP]

The people who panic and make moves to get out of the market during these times are making a big mistake. I just retired this past September and yes, my retirement portfolio is down quite a bit. But, you have to stay the course. I have a great financial adviser and he is not panic'ing at all over what is going on. I trust him and will continue on the same budget we planned on when I retired.
This kind of reminds me of that guy on the plane shouted out "we are all going to die, the plane is going down" every time the plane hit some turbulence.

They always say that you haven't lost anything unless you cash out.

But unless it turns around before May my portfolio will decrease more to pay me my annuity than it did for this months payment.