Women as Professional Hunters; What's with that?

[gordon-kruger]

No..no not better Norwegianwoods, but perhaps on another level when it's comes to how stuff is working in reality, if I travel to U.S and after two weeks start to argue that I know how things is working there, I'm not sure it would be very unethical !

Therefore I never speak of things that I do not really know.... It's not much that I don't know probably some of you think a bit sarcastic...

Cheers and peace, remember it's probably better to put the powder on the antihunting green people instead of arguing here.

Best wishes, G

 

[siml]

Cheers and peace, remember it's probably better to put the powder on the antihunting green people instead of arguing here.

At last.....the lights came on..

 

[Norwegianwoods]

Cheers and peace, remember it's probably better to put the powder on the antihunting green people instead of arguing here.

Best wishes, G

This we can totally agree on and my best wishes to you too

 

[spike.t]

Spike, different interest from different people if you wish to be public or not, I have always keep a low profile, in Africa it's good to keep thing low, you should know this !!

Furthermore, there is not much detailed information of Patsy Hahn.... what I can find is from your leasehold property...

Experience is everything, and this comes with time, nothing can change this.

Anti-poaching, putting people on the edge both regarding physical and mentally , when I ask this question I do mean really anti poaching and not circulating with the bakkie after the fence on a 3000 ha game farm...

no1 in this day and age they will find out if they want to.......

no2 there is a lot more info about patsy on our website than there is it seems anywhere about you........

no3 experience is gained all the time , so i presume what she learned while living amongst wildlife while in the luangwa and zambezi valleys is experience. she hasnt just parachuted into zambia out of the blue........

no4 we have a 12km fence and the other 16kms is unfenced river front. we have poachers coming in via the river frontage and through the fence, so there is some patrolling on the fence but not a lot. the majority is on foot or waiting in ambush sites usually at night. i fail to see the difference of whether the area is 300 or 3,000 or 300,000 thousand hectares when you dont know whether the poachers are armed with spears, muzzle loaders , shotguns or ak`s .....a couple of barrels of buckshot are going to kill or badly injure regardless of how large the area is.

i have had it with this thread, as this is the first time on here that i have got so frustrated with someone who cant reply to questions or anything else that i am in danger of getting very wound up and ruining the friendly reputation of AH, and who simply comes back with one line sarcastic comments. as a couple of people have said if you stopped being negative/sarcastic about what appears to be just about everything , then maybe you could contribute some of the experience you so love to go on about . you either have a big chip on your shoulder or just have a very negative personality........ i will now retire from this thread and enjoy discussing other subjects on AH with people who are willing to discuss them in a rational and reasonable way. cheers mike

 

[bluey]

so... are we still all friends .......

 

[TokkieM]

Sure thing @bluey!!! Folks on AH still my favorite folks on the world wide web!!!

 

[gordon-kruger]

Spike/Mike, yes you are right let's be a friendly forum and say yes to everything... sorry that I'm not a agreeable chap like you, and that I have my principles regarding hunting and then specific when it's comes to female pro.hunters !

But looks like you are the person that are bitter and upset, I simply sad what I believe with out personal insults or use word like "pissed off"

It's take a lot more than a forum conversation to "piss me off" so please come down and accept that there is different opinions...

 

[siml]

Bluey, how's your trophy judgement doing on the crocs?? Gordon what would you call this croc??

 

[bluey]

at an uneducated guess id put him at 13 foot

 

[gordon-kruger]

Simon, it's difficult from a photo without any references to compare to, but like Bluey say looks like 13-14 feet... It's a nice croc this days for Zambia, know that McPherson take some monsters up in Malawi (Shire river) they growing big up there.

Simon, do you take bow hunters for croc ?

Seriously sounds very difficult..... and the chance to loose the croc with a arrow in the hart/lungs is probably bigger than to find it... I guess a brain shot is too risky... It's not a easy task and I wish Bluey good luck ! If you successful "you are the man" !!

 

[siml]

14.5 foot, I would do a bow on my area in Niassa, lots of small pools, where you would be able to find a wounded croc, but wouldn't like to take the chance on the Zambezi.

I was at school with McPherson down in G'town, hadn't seen him in 20 years, bumped into him a few times in Blantyre lately. He told me about the cross. But too many getting shot for fun by locals.

 

[Norwegianwoods]

Simon, it's difficult from a photo without any references to compare to, but like Bluey say looks like 13-14 feet... It's a nice croc this days for Zambia, know that McPherson take some monsters up in Malawi (Shire river) they growing big up there.

Simon, do you take bow hunters for croc ?

Seriously sounds very difficult..... and the chance to loose the croc with a arrow in the hart/lungs is probably bigger than to find it... I guess a brain shot is too risky... It's not a easy task and I wish Bluey good luck ! If you successful "you are the man" !!

I know some use a broadhead similar to a harpoon or for bow fishing with a line attached with a float at the end.
Then they shoot the croc in the heart/lungs and it should be easy to find the float and then hopefully a dead croc at the end of the line

 

[gordon-kruger]

Yes Derek is doing some anti-poaching up in Malawi now, also darting elephants to remove wire-snares etc... Guess he stop hunting up in Selous with Rainer J for more than 15 years ago... Great guy to be around, did you see the old hammer double from his grandfather he carrying around ? ... I use it on a wounded 46" buff up in Tanzania many years ago... got nosebleed from more than 20 times when shooting non-muzzle braked 460 Weatherby... But that double was the most terrifying rifle a even shot... If I remember correctly it's a old Woodward...


Crocs :
That pounds sounds to be the way to bow hunting a croc, as I write to Bluey on a PM that I would never take a bow client for croc in or around a open river....

 

[siml]

Never saw any of his guns. Malawi/Mozambique is like day and night, the Malawians have really wiped out their natural enviroment. We don't do any body shots on crocs, only go for the brain shot, and stay away from solids, we use softs, I think I can only remember 2 crocs with some rather bad damage to the head from the shot, but rather have your croc than let him swim off with a solid.

 

[gordon-kruger]

Yes they really struggle with poaching up there...

 

[patsyzambia]

14.5 foot, I would do a bow on my area in Niassa, lots of small pools, where you would be able to find a wounded croc, but wouldn't like to take the chance on the Zambezi.

I was at school with McPherson down in G'town, hadn't seen him in 20 years, bumped into him a few times in Blantyre lately. He told me about the cross. But too many getting shot for fun by locals.

when were you in GT? i grew up with McPherson in Malawi ! small world as usual!

 

[patsyzambia]

thank

Gentlemen,

I too am of the "old school" having hunted Africa a dozen times over the last 30 years. I have hunted with some of the best, from Tanzania to Namibia and have taken 100 African animals including all of the Dangerous 7 and the much harder, Tiny 10. I too was of the opinion that women PH's weren't a good idea until I met Patsy Hahn this past year (Takeri Private Reserve - Zambia). She guided me to 5 Gold Medal animals including a 31 1/2 inch Kafue Lechwe and a 44 1/2" Sable - a trophy of a lifetime. I found her extremely knowledgeable of the areas we hunted, the animals, etc. It was a pleasure getting to know her and I have a whole new respect for women as PH's. Yes, it's not for everyone, but if you get the right woman, she can hold her own with most of the men.

So my advice is to keep an open mind, 'cause mine was surely changed.

Wilson "Dub" Crook
Houston, Texas

Thanks Dub and hope to see you for sitatunga next year!

 

[siml]

81-88 Patsy

 

[Christina Nyczepir]

Fascinating post. And I read it as a woman who came into hunting later in life. Would I hunt with a female PH? It would depend on her qualifications, experience, and the area I was hunting. I think plain and simple that is what it boils down to. Yah. It's pretty clear that there are plenty of places in the world that a woman is just plain stupid to wander into...more so than males. I choose not to go there. With a female or male PH. Other women, however, may choose otherwise. More power to them. There are enough "safer" places in the world to hunt the wilder, free range animals I'm interested in.

As for the popularity contests that go on within the hunting industry (for men or women), I have no interest to play any part. There are far more important things in life for me. When I hunt....I hunt for the love of it, being outdoors, and enjoying this big wide world we live in.

And Wayne.....my first PH carried my rifle. Probably because he was concerned that this short, new to hunting female might fall and accidentally shoot him in the back. LOL! However, on my last safari hunt, I carried my own rifles (.30-06 and .375 H&H) on my hunts. I did just fine. And I have no doubt better than most of the out-of-shape males who hunt. The only problem I have with most of the comments made on this post.....I am hard pressed to doubt what any human (male or female) can do if they have the tenacity and willingness to pay all costs to get there. Probably because I have met enough women who are rocking this world in ways you wouldn't believe. My two cents.

 

[gordon-kruger]

So, maybe Professional Hunter Eva Shockey can guide you next time.... in this clip, she turn around and ask "did I miss him" then start to cry.... Yes she is a PH !!


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