A Case of Use Enough Gun?

Yep the 25-35 and 25 Remington kept my Grandfathers family supplied with venison during the depression and WW2 years. My Grandfather had a Remington 141 pump in 25 Remington but couldn't afford or hardly find ammo for it, but his older brother who was off fighting in WW2 had a stockpile of 25-35.
He told me he would spend nights taking a file to the rims so they would fit in his gun while his parents slept lol! He also admitted that was not one of his brightest ideas.:LOL:
My granddad also fed his family during the Depression with a 141 pump in 25 Remington. Last we knew my highly decorated Vietnam vet cousin had it. Sadly, he smoked himself to death thirty years ago. No on knows what happened to the gun after that. I would love to have it.
 
My granddad also fed his family during the Depression with a 141 pump in 25 Remington. Last we knew my highly decorated Vietnam vet cousin had it. Sadly, he smoked himself to death thirty years ago. No on knows what happened to the gun after that. I would love to have it.
That's too bad. I know my cousin ended up with my grandfathers so at least I know its still in the family.
Grandpa gave me more than a few family heirlooms , one is my Great Grandfathers Savage 99 Featherweight in 308 .
 
No a 300 would have caused less damage passing through. The 243Win is great White Tail medicine!
Just a rare shot that although hits it ultimately misses any critical areas
How on earth do you think a .300 win mag would cause less damage than a .243? That has to be the most ignorant thing i've ever read on a forum.
 
How on earth do you think a .300 win mag would cause less damage than a .243? That has to be the most ignorant thing i've ever read on a forum.
Really?!? First try to stay polite and not call others ignorant or any other name calling!
Second the 300 will have a heavier jacket made to expand more slowly in any design than a 243 caliber bullet! The 243 will open up much faster and cause more initial hydrostatic shock on small light game where as the heavier, thicker jacketed 300 will just pencile through unless bone is hit!
Please have a general understanding on bullet performance before trying to denigrate others here! This is not that kind of forum! We debate politely here!
 
I have witnessed and experienced many times a heavier cartridge and bullet causing less damage than a smaller more frangible bullet. I am sure I am not alone in this. Depending on bullet construction, a .300 magnum whatever could indeed cause less tissue trauma than a .243. As was said, it is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity. A lot of 30 caliber projectiles are designed for deeper penetration on larger game and there is a very good chance they would cause less tissue destruction than most .243 caliber bullets in a high shoulder "flesh wound" shot scenario.
 
I have witnessed and experienced many times a heavier cartridge and bullet causing less damage than a smaller more frangible bullet. I am sure I am not alone in this. Depending on bullet construction, a .300 magnum whatever could indeed cause less tissue trauma than a .243. As was said, it is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity. A lot of 30 caliber projectiles are designed for deeper penetration on larger game and there is a very good chance they would cause less tissue destruction than most .243 caliber bullets in a high shoulder "flesh wound" shot scenario.
Yup. All depends on the bullet used. A .300 magnum and a .243 Win. shooting Barnes TSX for example at average for offering velocity (or factory Core-Lokt PSP in .300 and .243) is a much different conversation and analysis than when shooting different projectiles out of each rifle.
 
Different killing mechanisms.

Killing mechanism between expansion bullet, and sharp broadhead arrow is different.
They kill in different way. Here is best description i found:

Bullets kill primarily through high-energy impact. When a bullet strikes an animal, it crushes tissue and bone due to its kinetic energy. This impact can incapacitate the animal by breaking major bones, which reduces its ability to escape. The energy transfer from the bullet creates a wide wound channel, leading to significant tissue destruction. This mechanism also causes severe bleeding and can induce shock to the nervous system, further contributing to the animal’s incapacity or death.

In contrast, arrows utilize a low-energy impact mechanism. Broadhead-tipped arrows are designed to cut through vital tissues rather than crush them. They function more like knives or swords that slice blood vessels upon penetration. The effectiveness of an arrow relies heavily on proper shot placement; if an arrow is poorly placed, it may not cause immediate incapacitation or significant blood loss, making recovery difficult.

Wound Characteristics

The wounds created by bullets are characterized by both permanent and temporary cavities due to their high speed and mass. Bullets create a larger wound track compared to arrows because they expand upon impact (in the case of expanding bullets) or maintain their shape while causing extensive damage as they pass through tissue.

On the other hand, arrow wounds tend to be narrower but deeper due to their design and sectional density. Arrows penetrate effectively because they are long and skinny, allowing them to travel through flesh with less resistance than a bullet would encounter when trying to penetrate similar material.

In summary, bullets kill through high-energy impact that crushes tissues and causes extensive damage, while arrows kill by cutting vital tissues with low-energy impacts, requiring precise placement for effective results.
Although this is true, it does nothing to address the topic of a 243 being inadequate for deer but a bow is ok
 
Yep. I helped my buddy skin a big buck shot with his 45-70. I was amazed at the lack of damage. Big hole in, big hole out the other side, and almost no bloodshot. My 30-06 would not have been as clean. That big heavy slug knocked the deer off its feet and it didn't get up. Of course the downside is deer needs to be less than a hundred yards away.
 
How on earth do you think a .300 win mag would cause less damage than a .243? That has to be the most ignorant thing i've ever read on a forum.
Dirty Harry, please tone down the hostile sounding response. I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. :cool:
 

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Have really enjoyed reading your thread on the 416WSM... really good stuff!
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