Double rifle shooting - good or not at 50 meters?

[bruce moulds]

crs,
don't ask me why that curved buttplate gives me the willy whoops in a recoiling rifle.
bruce.

 

[crs]

"I was told last week by a shot,that his Tikka o/u double,9,3x74 R, goes hole in hole on 100 m (envious )"

Foxi - Do not worry, your rifle will do the job.
Last weekend, my son shot my Beretta .458 2.4 double for the first time and his first shot centered a 2 inch bull at 50 yards.

Of course it does feature a Leupold shotgun scope and is sighted in properly, Still, he shoots it better than I do. Talk about envious!

 

[crs]

Bruce,
Many people feel that way about the curved metal butt plate until they shoot one properly.
When I first shot this 1886 from a bench rest, even puny 300 grain Cowboy Action ammo felt odd.
So, I quickly figured out the way to properly shoot a hard recoiling rifle with curved metal butt plate.

What works for me is to tuck the lower tip of the butt plate into the arm pit. This allows the muzzle rise to rotate the rifle up, not back. The heavy barrel absorbs the energy and the rifle rotates down right on target. By then I have levered in another round and am ready for another shot as needed; it is not usually needed.

 

[Foxi]

Foxi,

The shooting is fine. But I will give you this very sound piece of advice. Ditch the Burris and get the Leopold Delta point with the dot, NOT the triangle. You will not have the starburst with it that you do with the burris. I own 4 of them and have extensive experience with the Leopold. You will not be disappointed.

Lance,
why NOT the triangel ?

 

[norfolk shooter]

@Foxi When I first got my 416 double (before certain folk pipe up I know the cal was meant for a BA) I was shooting much like you. With some practice I can now shoot a 4 round group in 2 inches at 50 yrds with no sticks. In fact I find I shoot it better off sticks than on.

 

[bruce moulds]

norfolk shooter,
you raise a good point.
I have often wondered why sticks are so prolific in Africa.
when hunting on your own, they are just impractical.
with a backup crew to carry them, as on a safari, they might well have come into vogue due to the frustration of guides at the potential lack of shooting ability of clients.
bruce.

 

[crs]

HERE IS THE REGULATION GROUP FOR MY SIMSON SUHL .405 WCF.



This was shot from a sturdy tripod (not field sticks) at 50 yards by Aaron Little when he completed re- regulating the rifle with Hornady factory 300 grain ammo at 2225 fps MV. This is also the velocity to which I load all my 300 grain .405 ammo.He is another person that can shoot my doubles better than I.
BTW, my 400 grain hand loads are also regulating at 2050 fps. A larger group, but OK for large game.

 

[Nhoro]

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Is that good or not?


By the way, at the lower barrel the CCI 250 primer does not ignite from time to time.
The normal one (no Magnum) does.
Best regards
Foxi
p.s. I was told last week by a shot,that his Tikka o/u double,9,3x74 R, goes hole in hole on 100 m (envious )

Give your bottom firing pin/spring/trigger a good clean. Blast it out with WD-40 -scrub with a brush and inspect it for burrs or sticking points. It may just be dirty or old oil is making it sticky so it doesnt strike hard. good shooting !

 

[Foxi]

norfolk shooter,
you raise a good point.
I have often wondered why sticks are so prolific in Africa.
when hunting on your own, they are just impractical.
with a backup crew to carry them, as on a safari, they might well have come into vogue due to the frustration of guides at the potential lack of shooting ability of clients.
bruce.

Guys, I can't agree with you on that.
The ultimate goal must be to give the animals the safest shot, so we are take the life away from them.
And in Africa wounded not found-full price.Not pleasant either.
At our annual hunting competitions you can see the clear difference between freehand and stick shooting.
@Norfolkshooter-Respect, then you are one of hundred.Not to be generalized.Sure.
I hunt and carry the whole year over the stick on the stalk.Sticks in different variations.The stalk and the safe shot with moonlight on boar and fox would not be possible at all without that.It does not disturb me and in Africa carries him the tracker.In the Bavarian mountains (far shot distance) everyone has it .
Logically, for a snapshot on elephant shoulder on 30m there nobody would need him.
With the Jim Shockey stick, I shoot up to max. 130-150 m, with the divisible, where you can lie on butt and fore-end , you could easily reach up to 200 m out on boar and fox.He is a little more complicated in handling.However, I generally never like to shoot far.At home I can, so I want, every day to go hunting and if it does not fit, I just leave it.

Buffalos in front.I feel much better with a stick.

Fox in the full moonlight on the stubble field over the divisible stick.
Messured 199 m. Had I had time to measure the distance before, I would not have shot

 

[Hallgeir Gravråk]

My Krieghoff Classic in 470 NE with Aimpoint Micro it shoot accurate, no problem opp to 125 yards.

My buffalo from Moz this september.
Shot at 10 yards and also got one solid thru the whole body
The Aimpoint make it possible to shoot two very fast shot on close range, and also keep the accuracy.

 

[Philip Glass]

Those groups will hunt. Shoot it often and great luck on a future buffalo. I have had problems like you mention on a Burris, I sold it to a pistol shooter that it works for. I have shot a Vortex Razor red dot, RMR and the Kahles all with a 2 or 3 MOA dot very successfully, Out of the 3 I like the Kahles the best. All 3 have a very clear dot and I have shot them a 50-100 yards in my 9.3 double and shot a 8in steel plate at 150 and 200 yards.

Dave,
I am contemplating putting the Kahles on my KGun. Do you have any pics of a double with the Kahles on it?
Philip

 

[perttime]

A red dot sight on a double looks so wrong ... but there's no question about it making it easier to hit your target.

If you really want to know the accuracy POTENTIAL of you and your rifle, you should have a target that is easy to aim at precisely. Animal targets with indistinct scoring areas are good for hunting practice. In my area, big game hunters must qualify by hitting "kill areas" in such targets.

People who put red dot sights in hard use tend to agree that Aimpoint makes the most durable and reliable ones.

 

[AZDAVE]

@Philip Glass Right now I don't have a picture, the Kahles that was on my 9.3 is currently on my wifes 375. I put a vortex red dot on my 9.3 till I pick up a new Kahles. I really like the Kahles the best out of the Red dots I have used (Bushnell, Vortex, RMR, Kahles) Very clear glass, the viewing window is just a bit bigger than the others, ability to change the battery without removing from the base, and easy access controls.

 

[Pondoro]

I am considering a similar Aimpoint as Hallgeir has on my .470 Krieghoff. IMHO the Aimpoint is great when you must shoot fast...not to mention shooting in bad light. I have shot elephant at night with a .375H&H boltrifle with Aimpoint....it worked splendidly.. The Aimpoint also seem to stay together well withstanding heavy recoil..

 

[Kawshik Rahman]

Foxi
That is excellent shooting. Perhaps , the photograph below will interest you.

My client took this 2000 pound Gaur with a magnum .458 Winchester double barrel rifle built by the firm , Holland and Holland .
A word of caution . A double barrel rifle for dangerous animals should always have the following features :
Two triggers
Barrels no longer than 26 inches ( or less depending upon your height and how swiftly you can maneuver said rifle in thick foliage )
No automatic safety mechanism .
Again , most excellent shooting.

 

[Philip Glass]

@Philip Glass Right now I don't have a picture, the Kahles that was on my 9.3 is currently on my wifes 375. I put a vortex red dot on my 9.3 till I pick up a new Kahles. I really like the Kahles the best out of the Red dots I have used (Bushnell, Vortex, RMR, Kahles) Very clear glass, the viewing window is just a bit bigger than the others, ability to change the battery without removing from the base, and easy access controls.

Cool!

 

[Tucketed]

@AZDAVE I was wondering if the Kahles is water resistant? I can’t find any info online. I have used Burris Fastfire for 12 years on turkey and slug guns with great success. The original Fastfire was not waterproof which screwed up a hunt before I replaced it with the newer version. I like Kahles/ Swarovski and in the process of a Mod 70 404J conversion and would like to try the Kahles but sure would feel better if I could use it in the rain without the cover. Those plastic covers always find a way to go missing at least on my Burris. By the way the Fastfire have held well under 100s of rounds of heavy recoil slugs and tungsten turkey loads.

 

[HWL]

@AZDAVE I was wondering if the Kahles is water resistant? I can’t find any info online.

https://www.kahles.at/en/hunt/products/riflescopes/

HWL

 

[edward]

I personally think that people who hate the .458Win read to much and shoot to few heavy stuff these days. The days that the .458Win had some issues are long gone and those were also the days when Ron Tompson shot 5k+ elephant with the lowly .458Win. If he swears by it, who are we to argue. I have shot way to many buffalo, elephant, hippo and rhino with it to doubt it's ability. Yes, I do own a .470Nitro and I use it a lot. I do own a .416 and a .375 and use them a lot also so I dont really care about what is proven on paper doing math. I shoot animals. a Lot of them and I have still to be proven wrong on the .458Win with today's components.

i like tight groups,who dosent??? but,ive yet to meet the animal that will stand still and let me shoot a three shot group on him so we can admire the tight group.

 

[Tucketed]

Thanks @HWL i knew their riflescopes are certainly waterproof but really trying to find the new Kahles red dot micro sight water resistance specifications. I would like to try one out but no mention that I can find? Sorry to get off track on the thread but my personal belief is that micro red dots are very functional on doubles and DG rifles though not as elegant as express sights.