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Mitchell Supply in Great Falls MT has a CZ in 375 H&H. They say it's new and the break is factory. The stock has some scratches but for the price you can't beat it if you are in the market.
 
flyfishdoc said:
This a nice Rigby rifle in .416 Rem I have for sale.

Its a fine rifle and would rather go to an AH member-open to offers for AH members only.
Thanks
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flyfishdoc said:
www.americanhunter.org

An Official Journal Of The NRA | Head to Head: .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum

The Rigby and Remington variants of the .416 bore diameter are undoubtedly the top dogs, but which of the two has the ultimate advantage?
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I agree with PHILIP MASSARO who wrote the article from the lower link above. Massaro, if anyone doesn't know, edits Gun Digest
https://gundigest.com/author/philip-massaro
He also writes many factful articles about firearms and ballistics.

The above article states,
"So, with the ballistics being equal and the pressure differences posing no problem
(Note: due to modern temperature stable powders)

Magazine capacity is my first reason. The Rigby case measures 0.5949″ at its widest, while the Remington (and all the H&H family) measures .0.532″ at the belt; that difference allows for greater magazine capacity for the slimmer cartridge. When it comes to dangerous game, more is better.

Length is also an issue. The Rigby cartridge requires a longer (read heavier) action than the Remington does, which adds weight and expense. There are fewer of these actions made, and therefore they are less-readily available. The .416 Remington rifles can be made more affordably.

Thirdly, there is the cost of ammunition. Rigby ammunition is expensive, roughly 30 percent more than .416 Remington ammo. When you take into consideration the cost of a dangerous game safari, it’s a minimal investment, but the Remington represents a better value for identical ballistics.

I’ve also found the recoil of the Rigby cartridge to exceed that of the Remington cartridge.
...I give the edge to the .416 Remington"

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My table above shows for a 10.5 lb. rifle, the 416 Rigby develops 16% more recoil.

For anyone in the market for a Rigby-made rifle, this would be a rare Ribgy being chambered in 416 Remington. It will also be more functional with less recoil and more readily available cartridges.

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I have no connection to this rifle, its sale, or anything else.
I have conversed with AH member @flyfishdoc a few times and he is good to go.
 
Mark A Ouellette said:
I agree with PHILIP MASSARO who wrote the article from the lower link above. Massaro, if anyone doesn't know, edits Gun Digest
https://gundigest.com/author/philip-massaro
He also writes many factful articles about firearms and ballistics.

The above article states,
"So, with the ballistics being equal and the pressure differences posing no problem
(Note: due to modern temperature stable powders)

Magazine capacity is my first reason. The Rigby case measures 0.5949″ at its widest, while the Remington (and all the H&H family) measures .0.532″ at the belt; that difference allows for greater magazine capacity for the slimmer cartridge. When it comes to dangerous game, more is better.

Length is also an issue. The Rigby cartridge requires a longer (read heavier) action than the Remington does, which adds weight and expense. There are fewer of these actions made, and therefore they are less-readily available. The .416 Remington rifles can be made more affordably.

Thirdly, there is the cost of ammunition. Rigby ammunition is expensive, roughly 30 percent more than .416 Remington ammo. When you take into consideration the cost of a dangerous game safari, it’s a minimal investment, but the Remington represents a better value for identical ballistics.

I’ve also found the recoil of the Rigby cartridge to exceed that of the Remington cartridge.
...I give the edge to the .416 Remington"

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My table above shows for a 10.5 lb. rifle, the 416 Rigby develops 16% more recoil.

For anyone in the market for a Rigby-made rifle, this would be a rare Ribgy being chambered in 416 Remington. It will also be more functional with less recoil and more readily available cartridges.

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I have no connection to this rifle, its sale, or anything else.
I have conversed with AH member @flyfishdoc a few times and he is good to go.
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A rigby rifle in 416 remington, must be the rarest of rigby's !
 
I don’t believe there’s a nickles worth of difference between the Rigby, Remington or Ruger 416s. All 3 send a 400 gr bullet at 2,400 fps. Any other difference between them are just difference’s….not plus or minus really.

The Remington got a bad rap initially because it operates at higher pressure and was at first chambered in the push feed Remington 700. When things got hot, the cases could get stuck because the extractor on a 700 wasn’t up to the job. Later, when CRF actions were chambered for the Remington round, they never had this issue.

That’s my opinion, but I’m sure the fellows at Rigby have a strong preference for their namesake cartridge!
 
John J said:
Mitchell Supply in Great Falls MT has a CZ in 375 H&H. They say it's new and the break is factory. The stock has some scratches but for the price you can't beat it if you are in the market.
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What was the price? I was actually planning on stopping in there Thursday. American or euro styled stock?
 
Doug3006 said:
I don’t believe there’s a nickles worth of difference between the Rigby, Remington or Ruger 416s. All 3 send a 400 gr bullet at 2,400 fps. Any other difference between them are just difference’s….not plus or minus really.

The Remington got a bad rap initially because it operates at higher pressure and was at first chambered in the push feed Remington 700. When things got hot, the cases could get stuck because the extractor on a 700 wasn’t up to the job. Later, when CRF actions were chambered for the Remington round, they never had this issue.

That’s my opinion, but I’m sure the fellows at Rigby have a strong preference for their namesake cartridge!
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The difference is about $12 grand in collectibility and about a million dollars of inconvenience if your ammo goes missing on safari.

Ballistically, no difference.
 
rookhawk said:
The difference is about $12 grand in collectibility and about a million dollars of inconvenience if your ammo goes missing on safari.

Ballistically, no difference.
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True. The rifle would be far more valuable if chambered in the Rigby caliber. For sure, I’d hate to have to scrounge for Remington rounds in Africa. As for the Ruger cartridge, forgetaboutit! You can’t find them in the US!
 
Doug3006 said:
True. The rifle would be far more valuable if chambered in the Rigby caliber. For sure, I’d hate to have to scrounge for Remington rounds in Africa. As for the Ruger cartridge, forgetaboutit! You can’t find them in the US!
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My personal cutoff is “if it’s younger than 90, I’m suspicious of the caliber”. I look at 270 Win like most people look at 28 Nosler. :)
 
My rarest Rigby is in 7.61 Sharpe & Hart aka Super Norma. I don't think I have ever seen another although one must exist.
 
On the other end of the cost spectrum, a solid entry to 9.3x62 on a budget. Coupled with the recent restocking of PPU ammo at various places, you’d have a handy and capable DG package for the pachyderm and bovine behind every Florida palmetto!

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I didn't see anything at Holt's sealed bid sale that struck my fancy as a "good gun deal" this go around, but I do have some observations from the main sale from two weeks ago.

1.) There were tremendous values to be found on like-new British boxlock ejector 12 bores. If they had anything "wrong" with them as to desirability of their specifications, they went really really cheap. Examples of "defects" that created bargains: Short 25-26" barrels (perfect for quail and grouse). Mid-century or newer (some guns were like brand new), 12 bore (but 2.75" chambers for modern shells). At any rate, I thought the 12 bore boxlocks all went way under value.

2.) The magazine rifles hit record prices. I found the rifle that got all the attention to be a pretty ho-hum gun. A rigby mauser HV with the deluxe stock (cut down for a woman) with a vintage (fogged and unusable) piece of zeiss glass fetched a tremendous sum of money. Almost all the British bolt guns brought very high prices.

3.) A good value to be had on some best grade large bore falling blocks. Perfect place to pick up a nice DG single shot for a fraction of the construction costs.

4.) No interesting large bore double rifles in this sale or the prior few sales either. Some Borovnik Ferlachs bringing gigantic larger-than-British made prices I could not understand. Not seeing much turnover on British large bores in recent years, so hard to comment on pricing if none are running through the auctions.
 
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