I don't bring this up lightly...

[275r7x57]

I have said my 2 cents worth.

The facts speak for themselves.

 

[Sabre]

People are treating this much differently because the seller is well known and well liked on the forum. For what it's worth, I also have liked the seller and his posts on the forum.

However, if this was any average member or a new member, people would be tearing the seller to shreds for this. And they wouldn't say anything negative about the buyer exposing it considering he stuck to facts and seems to be telling the truth about all of it.

The seller posted old photos when the rifle was in "like new" condition. They then went on multiple hunts causing quite a bit of cosmetic damage and didn't disclose it. They used a condition report from when they bought it claiming it was "perfect". After the buyer was unhappy with the discrepancy, as any reasonable person would be, they promised to refund purchase price and all shipping costs, in writing, which we all have seen on here. Then the seller decided to back out of his word and didn't refund all shipping costs.

The excuses for it on here from both the seller and other members are kind of gross. Members who like the seller are trying to sweep this under the rug and basically telling the buyer to shut up about it and acting like it isn't a big deal and saying the buyer is being unreasonable. They aren't.

I keep seeing defenders of the seller saying the buyer shouldn't be too worked up over losing (what he states is) ~$550 on the deal. And they say, get over it, it's just a few hundred dollars and a small percentage of the price of the gun. Well, by that token, the seller should not be so worried about giving up that "few hundred dollars" to make it right, considering he is the one who misrepresented the item for sale. And yes, although he seems offended by that phrasing, that is what he did. If you post photos when something is in "like new" condition and call an item "perfect" and then send it out with cosmetic damage, you knowingly and purposefully misrepresented an item.

 

[BRICKBURN]

Trust is hard earned and easily lost.

Lesson: Describe the items for sale with exactness and accuracy. It will avoid this BS.
We expect this from the all Outfitters posting offers here on AH.

Mediation is not a service provided on AH.
The caveats in the Classifieds provide adequate warnings. Choose to ignore them at your peril.

 

[GuttormG]

Gun was sold described as "perfect" using old pictures. Seller promised to refund cost of the gun and shipping both ways; and the same for the reloading supplies.

So why not just do the right thing and pay?

 

[PHOENIX PHIL]

There has been no effort made public to correct the outstanding amount due for shipping due to Mr. Breed’s misrepresentation of the item.

If the misrepresentation never occurred I am confident that we would not be discussing this matter.

Again if shipping had been refunded as Mr. Breed agreed upon in writing I am confident we would not be discussing this matter.

Mr. Breed created both issues, no one else. Facts are facts!

Still seems something versus nothing has been done to make most of this right. But okay, whatever, much drama now over a fairly small amount of money, that's what I don't get. As mentioned in my first post i'm not getting into who was right and who was wrong. I'm out.

 

[NIGHTHAWK]

People are treating this much differently because the seller is well known and well liked on the forum. For what it's worth, I also have liked the seller and his posts on the forum.

However, if this was any average member or a new member, people would be tearing the seller to shreds for this. And they wouldn't say anything negative about the buyer exposing it considering he stuck to facts and seems to be telling the truth about all of it.

The seller posted old photos when the rifle was in "like new" condition. They then went on multiple hunts causing quite a bit of cosmetic damage and didn't disclose it. They used a condition report from when they bought it claiming it was "perfect". After the buyer was unhappy with the discrepancy, as any reasonable person would be, they promised to refund purchase price and all shipping costs, in writing, which we all have seen on here. Then the seller decided to back out of his word and didn't refund all shipping costs.

The excuses for it on here from both the seller and other members are kind of gross. Members who like the seller are trying to sweep this under the rug and basically telling the buyer to shut up about it and acting like it isn't a big deal and saying the buyer is being unreasonable. They aren't.

I keep seeing defenders of the seller saying the buyer shouldn't be too worked up over losing (what he states is) ~$550 on the deal. And they say, get over it, it's just a few hundred dollars and a small percentage of the price of the gun. Well, by that token, the seller should not be so worried about giving up that "few hundred dollars" to make it right, considering he is the one who misrepresented the item for sale. And yes, although he seems offended by that phrasing, that is what he did. If you post photos when something is in "like new" condition and call an item "perfect" and then send it out with cosmetic damage, you knowingly and purposefully misrepresented an item.

Very true… When I see a scam I call it out. I’ve personally educated several new members on how to be successful selling rifles on AH Classifieds. I’ve also gone after several scammers privately and openly; educating them on the downside of trying to scam members. This sight needs to be protected and maintained as a trusted place to buy and sell rifles and hunting equipment.

 

[Altitude sickness]

I bought a very nice 110 year old British SxS at the recommendation from Rookhawk that it was a worthy example.

But he told me to use the sellers return grace period and send it to a known British gun expert for a complete examination. The seller knew and used this Smith also. The Smith was our gun Escrow guy.

It got his approval and he sent it on to me. If it didn’t get a clean bill of health. The seller just got a free thorough checkup.

P.S. I’m not very smart but I take direction well thanks Rookhawk