Opinions please: Pros/Cons of .375 Ruger vs .375 H&H

[akrifleman]

They're really one in the same. There's really nothing wrong with the 375 Ruger. It's just that there was really never a need for it. It's hard to dispute that. Like I said about re-inventing the wheel.

Shorter action = No real benefit.

Beltless round = The 375HH doesn't typically have feed issues because it's not a giant cartridge like the 458WM or 458 Lott.

Shorter barrel = You could potentially make an slight argument here. Does a 2" off a 24" barrel really matter? I don't personally, think it does. Especially when you look at the 375HH as a short to mid-range round to begin with. Not long range. Why are we even going shorter? Are we trying to make a bush-gun?

Minimal velocity increase = Not worth speaking about.

It's not a bad round. Is it worth the extra work to find ammo and reloading supplies? That depends on the person I suppose. If you like it, go for it. If you reload and have the supplies, have at it. The fact it has "Ruger" at the end of it and is one of the only offerings in the Hawkeye, feels a little nepotistic and money-grabby to me.

There's a couple really iconic African rounds out there. Two of which are the 375HH and the 416 Rigby. Why they would reinvent them makes absolutely no sense. The 416 makes even less sense.

You realize only like 300 416 Rigby's existed from inception until Bill Ruger started making them in 1991? He dramatically quadrupled the number extant.

The only thing iconic about it is our imagination and a writer with a hero worship complex. Almost nobody actually ever saw them in use.

It is called a false nostalgia. It is like you have watched to many pirate movies, and now an eye patch means pirate, when it never actually was the case in real life.

 

[dlmac]

You realize only like 300 416 Rigby's existed from inception until Bill Ruger started making them in 1991? He dramatically quadrupled the number extant.

The only thing iconic about it is our imagination and a writer with a hero worship complex. Almost nobody actually ever saw them in use.

This is a numbers game, as the Americans became more affluent they hunted more and bought more. Many people like the newest just because. It may not really improve anything or maybe it does. Companies will continue to make new everything just to sell more, that is what they do and how they make money and pay their stockholders. There will always be someone willing to buy and that is ok.

 

[akrifleman]

This is a numbers game, as the Americans became more affluent they hunted more and bought more. Many people like the newest just because. It may not really improve anything or maybe it does. Companies will continue to make new everything just to sell more, that is what they do and how they make money and pay their stockholders. There will always be someone willing to buy and that is ok.

What on earth are you talking about? What does that have to do with how many 416 Rigby's existed? Or didn't, as it was considered a dead caliber that even Kynoch stopped making ammo for. There were tens of thousands of rifles in other calibers before American's came into play.

 

[CBeck]

The cartridge has won against the Ruger. That’s a simple fact. The 375 Ruger never surpassed the H&H in ammo offerings, rifle offerings, or popularity hunting dangerous game. A few of you are trying to make this personal when the facts are against you. Regardless of the 375 Ruger’s advantages it remains where it is.

Not sure that’s a fair statement….the H&H has had a 100 year head start. lol

Again, nothing personal with me….I think the H&H does win in the areas you mention….but I also think thei Ruger has merit that shouldn’t be discounted.

 

[dlmac]

What on earth are you talking about? What does that have to do with how many 416 Rigby's existed? Or didn't, as it was considered a dead caliber that even Kynoch stopped making ammo for. There were tens of thousands of rifles in other calibers before American's came into play.

well, just that there are limited number of hunters that buy DG rifles, that number has peaked. Many of the weapons are resold, so, the money is in the ammunitions. Bill Ruger saw a niche and filled it. Like any niche it was smaill. DG hunters are a decreasing number and the niche for rifles and calibers has been filled, now it is time to make a new niche and sell new something. This is a broad over view, just applied to some of the statements on this thread and others, If it does make sense to you, that is ok also.

 

[akrifleman]

well, just that there are limited number of hunters that buy DG rifles, that number has peaked. Many of the weapons are resold, so, the money is in the ammunitions. Bill Ruger saw a niche and filled it. Like any niche it was smaill. DG hunters are a decreasing number and the niche for rifles and calibers has been filled, now it is time to make a new niche and sell new something. This is a broad over view, just applied to some of the statements on this thread and others, If it does make sense to you, that is ok also.

No, that is a false narrative. It gets told and retold, but it isn't the case. Take away Robert Ruark and the 416 Rigby is entirely forgotten. There were not arms OR ammo being sold for it for a couple decades. Only the release of the 416Rem in the late 80s revived it from its death throes. In the meanwhile, many other DG calibers sold very well. Thousands upon thousands of 458 Win Mag and 375 H&H managed to get produced, and the converted BPE cartridges that became the Nitro Express series continued to have strong sales all along. The Jeffery was for labor, but continued to sell.

I guess that makes the 458 Win Mag, the cartridge nobody wants to love, the true icon? It has outsold any other DG cartridge.

 

[HookMeUpII]

You realize only like 300 416 Rigby's existed from inception until Bill Ruger started making them in 1991? He dramatically quadrupled the number extant.

The only thing iconic about it is our imagination and a writer with a hero worship complex. Almost nobody actually ever saw them in use.

It is called a false nostalgia. It is like you have watched to many pirate movies, and now an eye patch means pirate, when it never actually was the case in real life.

Not sure I get your point. They invented the 416 Ruger in 2008. CZ, BRNO, Dakota, and it's rumored MRC is coming out with 416 Rigby chambered rifles. There's not a ton of offerings, but they're out there.

Let's not forget they also have a 416 Rem which was invented in the 80's, albeit belted.

Once again, what for?

There might be a better argument for the 416 Ruger being there are not as many chamberings in 416 Rigby.

 

[akrifleman]

There's a couple really iconic African rounds out there. Two of which are the 375HH and the 416 Rigby. Why they would reinvent them makes absolutely no sense. The 416 makes even less sense.

Not sure I get your point. They invented the 416 Ruger in 2008. CZ, BRNO, Dakota, and it's rumored MRC is coming out with 416 Rigby chambered rifles. There's not a ton of offerings, but they're out there.

Let's not forget they also have a 416 Rem which was invented in the 80's, albeit belted.

Once again, what for?

There might be a better argument for the 416 Ruger being there are not as many chamberings in 416 Rigby.

Where did the 416 Ruger enter the picture? What on earth? Who said anything about it?

HookMeUpll called the 416 Rigby iconic. I said that is a false nostalgia. It NEVER actually saw any significant use until TODAY. Ya'll started spinning off in other directions... The 375 H&H can legit be called iconic. It never has been anything but.

People call the 375 Ruger marketing hype. Guess what... the 416 Rigby is the true hype machine. It never came, saw or conquered.... it was vapor until recently. But Harry Selby makes it cool. And the Kool-Aid was drunk.

 

[375Fox]

Where did the 416 Ruger enter the picture? What on earth? Who said anything about it?

HookMeUpll called the 416 Rigby iconic. I said that is a false nostalgia. It NEVER actually saw any significant use until TODAY. Ya'll started spinning off in other directions... The 375 H&H can legit be called iconic. It never has been anything but.

People call the 375 Ruger marketing hype. Guess what... the 416 Rigby is the true hype machine. It never came, saw or conquered.... it was vapor until recently. But Harry Selby makes it cool. And the Kool-Aid was drunk.

You did. There was a comment made about reinventing the wheel with 375 H&H and 416 Rigby comparing to the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger so you went off on this tangent. It appears you are correct all 416s only became common in the late 80s, but of those Rigby is the only original cartridge. Ruger and Hornady were late for both calibers.

 

[akrifleman]

You did. There was a comment made about reinventing the wheel with 375 H&H and 416 Rigby comparing to the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger so you went off on this tangent. It appears you are correct all 416s only became common in the late 80s, but of those Rigby is the only original cartridge. Ruger and Hornady were late for both calibers.

375Fox,
I appreciate it. I do see what happened from your response.

I did say Bill Ruger, but I was refering to him bringing back the 416 Rigby via the RSM. I believe that is where that came in. I hadn't meant to speak to the 416 Ruger, only the 416Rem and 416 Rigby.

I was quite confused, and I think we were going in circles on that tangent (which it was, and that I was guilty of, on the Rigby being iconic vs the H&H).