John Wasmuth
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Like a giant air burst claymore?
Making the comparison of a fetus that has done nothing but be conceived and a cold blooded killer that has truly committed evil on another human being may be one of the strangest things I’ve seen on this thread, and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.I don't know Peter Singer and really don't care what he said.
I also believe evil people exists in everywhere, left, right, religious, atheist, etc...
However anybody who believes in death penalty and pro-life is a hypocrite in my book.
I might be against abortion but telling others what to do regardless of their medical condition or interfering with doctors in the name of religion should not happen in a country where church and state supposedly separated.
I have two grand daughters and don't want them to suffer because religious bigots made it impossible for them get proper medical care.
I also believe %70 of the public thinks alike according to polls and GOP unfortunately will pay the price.
I have the utmost respect to other view points including yours and like you said whatever floats your boat.
However are you trying to equate abortion based on health/genetic condition or danger to mother's health to deliberately killing disabled children or elderly parents?
Do you believe in medical decisions?
What's the difference between a doctor telling you as a man or to a woman that a certain procedure needed because there's a high risk to your life?
You call it a gateway, some woman might call it life or death.
On a side note do you believe in capital punishment? because if you do this conversation is meaningless...
I am pretty much 100% on that same page. I look at what are the most likely demographics of those getting abortions and think "well, if it makes them happy and serves our long-term interests, then so be it". It's always seemed to me to be high irony that Democrats and Republicans take the positions that they do on abortion, since they run counter to each of their respective interests. And being raised in a very staunch Christian home and doing far more scriptural study than the average church-goer, I can say without any ambiguity that there is an entire Old Testament that obliterates the notion that God values the lives of all children as equally sacred. That argument simply doesn't even get off the ground.I'm going to say something horrible here, but it's where my mentality is at.
You've all heard me say I believe we are living in the decline of rome era. My mission in life is to elect leaders to stall and delay what I believe is an inevitable collapse in the next 1-2 generations. You can judge me a pessimist in light of that view, but it's my view.
So what does this have to do with abortion? I've held staunch pro-life views my entire life, defensible and informed by an agnostic and cultural perspective, not reliant on any personal religious beliefs. I've changed my views for a fairly horrible reason in recent years. The people that are hedonists that want to abort their progeny to enjoy decadence and lack of duty are the very same people that will be leading us to civil unrest and civil collapse. I no longer hold a pro-life national policy position because I've come to conclude those aborted and their parents are the very people that will be shooting at my family in the next 1-2 generations. If they'd like to commit murder to thin their own numbers, it may delay the collapse of what was a once great Republic.
On a personal level, I still encourage the redeemable to rethink their choice to abort and have/would provide material support to help them raise a kid or surrender a child to adoption.
On the macro level? I'm done fighting, to my family's detriment, to discourage dangerous groups from destroying themselves before they raise the army of savages inside the nation. (And I don't mean any race or class, I mean a broad generational ideology of hedonists and radicals)
Your view point is possibly based on an anti religious viewpoint, nothing wrong with that. Many (myself included) believe that abortion is the taking of a human life. You seem have negative viewpoint of anything related to faith in god. What is right and true does not change regardless of politics.The problem I have with your viewpoint is the fact that it is based on your religious beliefs, and you wish to force it down the throats of everyone else whether they agree with you or not even if from a different religious faith or not at all.
I am more of a libertarian on this issue. I think the first trimester is a good compromise between the two camps (other than pure medical reasons).
It is ironic that the GOP that is supposed to stand for less government interference in people's lives is so focused on people's personal medical decisions. Then again what else could you expect from people that still believe Earth was created about 6,000 - 10,000 years ago.![]()
You can't see the difference between innocent and evil? You may be blind. What would you suggest we do with murderers? Lock them up for Life where they can't hurt anyone? Prison staff and offenders that have not committed murder are people. People.that advocate for infanticide but struggle to save the life of a murderer are the actual hypocrites. What if someone murdered one of your grand daughters? Our lack of willingness to deal with evil and the increasing crime rate that has resulted from it makes that a more likely possibility. An unwanted pregnancy is nothing compared to the reality of not dealing with criminals in an effective manner.I don't know Peter Singer and really don't care what he said.
I also believe evil people exists in everywhere, left, right, religious, atheist, etc...
However anybody who believes in death penalty and pro-life is a hypocrite in my book.
I might be against abortion but telling others what to do regardless of their medical condition or interfering with doctors in the name of religion should not happen in a country where church and state supposedly separated.
I have two grand daughters and don't want them to suffer because religious bigots made it impossible for them get proper medical care.
I also believe %70 of the public thinks alike according to polls and GOP unfortunately will pay the price.
But we also can't un-kill the next victim of the murderer. The killer that murdered thee correctional officer was already in prison. Life without parole. Prison does not make a killer led violent. Her name was Jayme Bindl, and she was a single mother with two young children. Was her life worth less than the life of her killer? Not everyone that kills needs the death penalty but some do. Some can be redeemed and others can't it should be up to the legal system and not "blue" state politicians.I’m a huge, huge fan of capital punishment. Nothing would delight me more than to have the sickest, most evil elements of society permenantly removed from the penal system in a cost effective manner.
The only reason I think capital punishment should be outlawed is because like everything else in government, the process sucks. We’ve had numerous people on death row that were later found innocent from DNA evidence, from testimony recanted by corrupt cops, by the revelation of suppressed exculpatory evidence, by strong armed confessions from people below retarded IQs less than 70, etc. I’m unwilling to support State execution of 999 guilty men if we accidentally kill 1 innocent one in the process.
When anyone can assure me we won’t kill an innocent man, I’d be a strong endorser of capital punishment. Illinois alone in the 1990s or early 2000s ended up doing a study that they had killed, and were about to kill a number of innocent people. Not acceptable, but typical of a failed justice system.
A conservative errs on the side of liberty. We can’t un-kill an innocent person.
I don't know Peter Singer and really don't care what he said.
I also believe evil people exists in everywhere, left, right, religious, atheist, etc...
However anybody who believes in death penalty and pro-life is a hypocrite in my book.
I might be against abortion but telling others what to do regardless of their medical condition or interfering with doctors in the name of religion should not happen in a country where church and state supposedly separated.
I have two grand daughters and don't want them to suffer because religious bigots made it impossible for them get proper medical care.
I also believe %70 of the public thinks alike according to polls and GOP unfortunately will pay the price.
For some reason couldn't add to my message above....but interesting insight on putin and how he has changed ,by someone who dealt closely with him from the beginning..Share Message - 'I'm sad for everyone who's been killed': How two years of war in Ukraine changed Russia
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Rosenberg: How two years of war in Ukraine changed Russia
The BBC's Russia Editor reports on a catalogue of drama, bloodshed and tragedy since the war began.www.bbc.co.uk
The plural you includes Tundra Tiger and likes of me. He's too much of a gentleman to tell you to sit on it and swivel. I on the other hand am not.I know. I was talking in plural "you" not you personally.
Not anti-religious per se. I just don't think religious views of some should trump people's rights and freedom. Especially, seeing that we are such a diverse county of many religious viewpoints. Heck, as a result of AL court decision IVF treatments in AL have basically stopped. Religion trumped science in this instance.Your view point is possibly based on an anti religious viewpoint, nothing wrong with that. ...
Not anti-religious per se. I just don't think religious views of some should trump people's rights and freedom. Especially, seeing that we are such a diverse county of many religious viewpoints. Heck, as a result of AL court decision IVF treatments in AL have basically stopped. Religion trumped science in this instance.
I personally don't believe in abortion but would not push my beliefs on someone else.
In regard to religion, some of the biggest wars in early European history started due to conflicts between Protestants and Catholics. Religious views and the desire to impose them onto others gave rise to Taliban and Isis.
People have perverted religion to their own ends all throughout history, so excuse me for being skeptical when people try to shape laws and public policy according to their own religious beliefs.
Again, don't get me wrong I am not anti-religion. I just believe each person should live according to their own moral code and not force their personal beliefs onto others.
Now, I am not advocating for anarchy where everyone does whatever they want without consequences or consideration for others. Murder, theft etc. has been vilified and shunned throughout history due to its impact on people living together as a community and punished as such.Your argument breaks down when your moral code negatively impacts someone else’s moral code. ...
For those of you who are not always familiar with how the U. S. system works this statement is a good example. A judicial court from the state of Alabama, depending on their system these judges are either elected by the people of Alabama or are appointed by the governor of Alabama who was elected by the people of Alabama. Thus this decision only applies in the State of Alabama. It is a decision that represents the people of Alabama. This decision represents the concept of States Rights.Heck, as a result of AL court decision IVF treatments in AL have basically stopped.
Now, I am not advocating for anarchy where everyone does whatever they want without consequences or consideration for others. Murder, theft etc. has been vilified and shunned throughout history due to its impact on people living together as a community and punished as such.
If you take religion out of it, abortion or destroying frozen embryos impacts only people directly involved.
Another example is getting drunk. It is fine when one does it in the privacy of their home or at a bar etc.. It becomes illegal when one tries to drive or cause a disturbance while being drunk as at that point one can negatively impact others.