Politics

[rookhawk]

I disagree with the past few pages as folks on here argue about man versus animal and then apply these notions to a number of political considerations.

Let's go back to Sunday school for a minute, it's an important lesson all the founding fathers understood whether they were Christian, Deist, or Theist. It's the fabric of our country.

Remember in Genesis the forbidden fruit on the tree? Adam and Eve (the first MAN and the first WOMAN) ate from the tree? What was that tree called again? "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". Obviously, when you read through the rest of Genesis its clear that there were humanoids suitable for breeding to provide wives for the sons of Adam and Eve. So supply of genetically suitable partners was not an issue, so what exactly made Adam and Eve and their offspring unique from these otherwise available hominids? Answer: Knowledge of good and evil. Without that knowledge, humanoids are just instinctive animals like the rest of the animal kingdom. Along with this conscience, came the awareness of the finality of life and death, and the forward thinking of long term consquences to the actions of the day. (perhaps eternal consequences?)

Okay, so being a Man is different than being an animal, not by physical form but by moral attributes. Hence, man is in the image of the "God" that was understood by the thinkers of the enlightenment whether Deist, Theist, Christian, Jew, or Muslim.

And why is this Bible story so important for a multicultural functioning society, even if you don't believe that it holds religious weight? It is because it is this ideology that explains why individuals have autonomy and natural rights. It is the core tenant that prevents majority rule, or removing individual liberties for the greater good of the collective.

Regardless of creed at the founding of this country, this essential concept was 100% clear across all of the founders. If you miss this plot, you lose the scaffolding that allowed us to build a functioning republic.

 

[cash_tx]

"South Africa has been so mismanaged for so long that we're starting to see the bones crack."
- Peter Zeihan

...his take on Britain was interesting to me as well.

 

[Pondoro]

Olaf Scolz, the german chancellor chikens out..again. He will not give Ukraine long range (500km) Taurus missiles..

Taurus KEPD 350 - Wikipedia

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He is afraid of being dragged into the war.. Its time for Europe to stand its ground here..

 

[Tanks]

So......20 Haley supporters wont be voting for Trump? . ...LOL.

Haley got 39.5% of the vote in SC. Trump lost the moderate Republicans etc. to Haley. 20% of those said they'd never vote for Trump. That is a significant percentage, especially in contested States in a General election.

But hey, it was Trump himself that stated he doesn't want Haley donors etc. on his side.

 

[Tanks]

...our local radio shows which are actually pretty good looked into the decision pretty deeply and interpreted it as you can’t intentionally destroy an embryo and says there is nothing in the decision that prohibits the implant in a woman. Of course they could very well be wron.

As part of an IVF procedure embryos are destroyed, during and after. So, there would be criminal liability.

 

[Mark A Ouellette]

In the Marines if one thinks that are leading, they need to look behind them at those following.

If no one is following, then no one is leading anyone.

I have long thought that to actually be a leader, that person must inspire others to greatness!

I haven’t been inspired by anyone in Washington DC since Ronald Reagan was President.

 

[Hunt anything]

As part of an IVF procedure embryos are destroyed, during and after. So, there would be criminal liability.

Our AG came out this weekend and said there is absolutely no way that he would prosecute anyone, doctor or patient for IVF. I confess to being ignorant to the process of IVF. Luckily the state legislature is in session and bills have been put up in both chambers to clarify the situation.

 

[Tanks]

...

I haven’t been inspired by anyone in Washington DC since Ronald Reagan was President.

Unfortunately, anyone worth inspiring gets primaried or forced out. The inmates are running the asylum on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Tanks]

Our AG came out this weekend and said there is absolutely no way that he would prosecute anyone, doctor or patient for IVF. I confess to being ignorant to the process of IVF. Luckily the state legislature is in session and bills have been put up in both chambers to clarify the situation.

You are forgetting the fact that third parties can file civil suits. Also, the fact that the Chief Justice was spewing scripture while writing his decision makes me very leery of the whole thing. We are not a theocracy, but it sure seems to head that way in some States.

 

[Daniel Cary]

Way off Course: Did anyone like "The Moody Blues" or "The Doors"?

 

[Hunt anything]

You are forgetting the fact that third parties can file civil suits. Also, the fact that the Chief Justice was spewing scripture while writing his decision makes me very leery of the whole thing. We are not a theocracy, but it sure seems to head that way in some States.

I wasn’t ignoring the possibility of a civil suit, in today’s world a civil suit can be brought for just about anything. I have been around my lawyer brother in law and listening to the pure bullshit he is suing people for is mind boggling. One prime example was a lady was walking down a trail and a rough green snake fell on her head. They claimed trauma and tried to sue for a couple of million dollars which would have completely wiped out the land owner.
I stated I’m ignorant on the IVF procedure, if it is being implanted how is it being destroyed? Is it in the process more than one is used and some don’t make it and are destroyed? Just trying to understand.

 

[Wheels]

 

[rookhawk]

You are forgetting the fact that third parties can file civil suits. Also, the fact that the Chief Justice was spewing scripture while writing his decision makes me very leery of the whole thing. We are not a theocracy, but it sure seems to head that way in some States.

@Tanks you're obviously unfamiliar with the SCOTUS chambers. They are filled with religious references carved into the gallery. Hammurabi's law. the ten commandments, lots of judeo-christian statements relevant to rule of law.

You're confused about the nature of the US per religion. The US was founded on religious freedom, but that is separation of church from the State, not the other way around. All laws were written to reduce the chances of a denominational culture (E.g. Anglican) working in concert with the State at the expense of others. The term "separation of church and State" literally comes form a letter written by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists, assuaging their fears that a State religion was going to be selected.

So now that we've gotten the founder's intentions made clear with relevant evidence from the time period, what about quotation of religious statements by justices of a US court? Our code of law is built upon such foundational precepts of which all men of good conscience could agree. They cite precedent of universal truths of Judeo-Christians, they cite prior precedent in British common law, they cite precedent in natural law, they cite precedent in moral law such as Kant. Holding truths to be self-evident, bolstered by common sense as cited from any of the above does not endorse a particular sectarian practice at the expense of others.

What the founders didn't understand or comprehend at their time was the amount of idleness that would exist in the future. We now live in a time where people have the financial means to invent their own religions, adhere to abhorrent religions. or to fight for meaningless things from their subsidized existence. Not all religions are equally virtuous, not all religions are compatible with the Republic. Judges historically have cited from religious truths that were compatible with the super majority of the society.

 

[steve white]

Effing BRILLIANT!!

Looks like the average monthly salary in Russia is $787

The US is approximately $4949. That would mean that grocery bill measured in the US equivalent proportion of income would be $728. What an absolute consumer paradise.

Red Leg, that is actually $787 minimum 6 months behind in coming. A Russian I talked to told me, "of course, we HAVE to take bribes, etc. if we can--it may be six months or more before we get what we are owed."

 

[Red Leg]

Streiff over on RedState has an excellent piece regarding the South Carolina primary. I know many if not most of Trumpolytes seem to be high-fiving the results. My own feelings mirror Streiff's and a couple of others here. This should be a five alarm wake-up call for the self-indulgent bloviator and his handlers. I see they somehow managed to get him to stop calling Haley a "bird brain" and hasn't insulted her supporters for twenty-four hours or so. Perhaps a couple of them can actually do basic math.

As several of us have pointed out, Trump needs every single republican vote. An existential (with respect to his candidacy) percentage seem determined not to vote for him. He better start trying to figure that out.

OPINION: Trump's Win in South Carolina Is a Warning Not a Triumph

redstate.com

 

[Daniel Cary]

I disagree with the past few pages as folks on here argue about man versus animal and then apply these notions to a number of political considerations.

Let's go back to Sunday school for a minute, it's an important lesson all the founding fathers understood whether they were Christian, Deist, or Theist. It's the fabric of our country.

Remember in Genesis the forbidden fruit on the tree? Adam and Eve (the first MAN and the first WOMAN) ate from the tree? What was that tree called again? "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". Obviously, when you read through the rest of Genesis its clear that there were humanoids suitable for breeding to provide wives for the sons of Adam and Eve. So supply of genetically suitable partners was not an issue, so what exactly made Adam and Eve and their offspring unique from these otherwise available hominids? Answer: Knowledge of good and evil. Without that knowledge, humanoids are just instinctive animals like the rest of the animal kingdom. Along with this conscience, came the awareness of the finality of life and death, and the forward thinking of long term consquences to the actions of the day. (perhaps eternal consequences?)

Okay, so being a Man is different than being an animal, not by physical form but by moral attributes. Hence, man is in the image of the "God" that was understood by the thinkers of the enlightenment whether Deist, Theist, Christian, Jew, or Muslim.

And why is this Bible story so important for a multicultural functioning society, even if you don't believe that it holds religious weight? It is because it is this ideology that explains why individuals have autonomy and natural rights. It is the core tenant that prevents majority rule, or removing individual liberties for the greater good of the collective.

Regardless of creed at the founding of this country, this essential concept was 100% clear across all of the founders. If you miss this plot, you lose the scaffolding that allowed us to build a functioning republic.

I understand, if you're referring to "the moral compass." in humans.
I don't understand what are "humanoids"
Adam & Eve were created for the Bloodline of Christ. Remember Kane was sent to the Land of Nod "where he knew his wife" ...

just curious,

 

[Hunt anything]

Streiff over on RedState has an excellent piece regarding the South Carolina primary. I know many if not most of Trumpolytes seem to be high-fiving the results. My own feelings mirror Streiff's and a couple of others here. This should be a five alarm wake-up call for the self-indulgent bloviator and his handlers. I see they somehow managed to get him to stop calling Haley a "bird brain" and hasn't insulted her supporters for twenty-four hours or so. Perhaps a couple of them can actually do basic math.

As several of us have pointed out, Trump needs every single republican vote. An existential (with respect to his candidacy) percentage seem determined not to vote for him. He better start trying to figure that out.

OPINION: Trump's Win in South Carolina Is a Warning Not a Triumph

redstate.com

24 hours has to be a record for that blow hard, I guess with Michigan tomorrow he will break his silence.

 

[rookhawk]

I understand, if you're referring to "the moral compass." in humans.
I don't understand what are "humanoids"
Adam & Eve were created for the Bloodline of Christ. Remember Kane was sent to the Land of Nod "where he knew his wife" ...

just curious,

Humanoids = Bags of blood, bipedal.

What made Adam and Eve "mankind" was the knowledge of good and evil. Without that event and its moral consequences, they would just be animals. Thus, a homo sapien or related hominid isn't enough to be a man, it's just an animal.

The genesis account is trying to explain "what makes us man and why does it matter?".

Anecodotally, Genesis is a profoundly old document that predates Judaism (later Christianity) by millenia. Stylometry and textual criticism shows it (it = Genesis 1+2) was knit together from multiple pre-biblical authors. It's as close to a universal truth over the ages about the nature of man as any document in history.

That's why it matters regardless of someone's modern religious and denominational preferences.

 

[LivingTheDream]

I wasn’t ignoring the possibility of a civil suit, in today’s world a civil suit can be brought for just about anything. I have been around my lawyer brother in law and listening to the pure bullshit he is suing people for is mind boggling. One prime example was a lady was walking down a trail and a rough green snake fell on her head. They claimed trauma and tried to sue for a couple of million dollars which would have completely wiped out the land owner.
I stated I’m ignorant on the IVF procedure, if it is being implanted how is it being destroyed? Is it in the process more than one is used and some don’t make it and are destroyed? Just trying to understand.

So basically IVF is a big numbers game, let's say you get 10 eggs, 8 of those fertilize, 4 make it day 5, and then you do genetic testing, at which case some are considered viable or non viable. If they are considered viable there are varying degrees of quality.

So let's say you get 2 viable (which would be extremely good from 10 eggs) then you could implant them, and then you have a 60% chance of becoming pregnant.

Hope this explains it a little bit better and some of the issues with the process.

 

[rookhawk]

So basically IVF is a big numbers game, let's say you get 10 eggs, 8 of those fertilize, 4 make it day 5, and then you do genetic testing, at which case some are considered viable or non viable. If they are considered viable there are varying degrees of quality.

So let's say you get 2 viable (which would be extremely good from 10 eggs) then you could implant them, and then you have a 60% chance of becoming pregnant.

Hope this explains it a little bit better and some of the issues with the process.

Then the other scenario for viability occurs as well, although this one isn't talked about too often. (Anecdotally, I know two people that went through this)

They implant more eggs hoping for some of them to take, but they end up with an inconvenient amount of viable children. Then they abort the surplus to make it an easier pregnancy for the mother, with less responsibilities and fatigue than having to deal with triplets or quadruplets.

In our lifetimes, I'm certain we'll get the tech dialed in so that viable fetuses can be aborted based upon gender, hair color, or for other eugenics pursuits of the parents. (need taller kids for basketball etc.)

When you let people play god, they have a propensity to play god a little bit more.