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[Hogpatrol]

I truly hope he has a good plan to deliver on his promises, at least he should have a much more friendly legislative branch to help this time.

Keeping my fingers crossed that instead of the infighting when the GOP was last in control, they'll need to coalesce and enact some meaningful legislation on the #1, the border and #2, energy policies.

 

[mdwest]

All I want is 90% of the federal government gone..

Manage your expectations or you’re going to find yourself perpetually disappointed and never able to enjoy the fruits of any victories won…

The left pushed too hard too fast.. which is why things shook out the way they did last night… they forgot that the majority of their party rests somewhere closer to the center than the AOC, Sanders, Pelosi, Omar, factions..

If the right becomes guilty of the same thing, expect mass upheaval in the other direction..

And don’t mistake a trump victory as the majority of Americans supporting trump… the truth is the majority just likes Harris less…

The bloviated government needs to shrink.. but even 25% would be a bridge too far in the near term..

I’ll be jumping for joy if I just see the 87000 new IRS agents that Biden employed and another 100k federal employees that bring no value to the American people removed from the government payroll over the next 4 years…

Keep a slow, methodical, steady pace in reform, and Vance will be set up to continue the practice for the next 8 years after Trump is gone..

Overreach or try to set everything on fire in the short term… and we’ll have Gavin Newsome or Gretchen Whitmyer sitting behind the resolute desk in 4 years…

We need to learn from the mistakes of our enemies.. not repeat them…

 

[Certus]

Just gotta hope that people let him work and do his thing this term. Last time he spent a lot of his presidency fighting petty challenges and bloody impeachment just because they didn’t like him and he bested their beloved Clinton.

 

[Red Leg]

Meanwhile back at the front - I know I am interrupting the victory party with a bit of that reality thing - but the video is of too good not to share. As some of you know, Ukraine has successfully driven the Russian navy from the Black Sea. Today, using domestically produced drones, Ukraine reached out a bit farther and successfully attacked the Russian Flotilla at its docks in the Caspian Sea.

I doubt much real damage was done, but to have your adversary successfully strike a highly protected major military base that deep inside one's country in broad daylight is rather humiliating - like almost everything else about this war from Putin's perspective.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1gkucmq/another_video_of_ukrainian_drones_attacking_the

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1gkv3pd/new_footage_of_a_ukrainian_drone_strike_on_a

 

[Hogpatrol]

I'm battening down the hatches for phase two of the election, the part where the Dems try another angle to attack his legitimacy, namely his conviction as a felon and any other schemes they can dream up. This ain't over until the fat man sings.
Having said that, if Biden was any kind of leader, he'd pardon Trump of any and all real or perceived transgressions.

 

[Red Leg]

Just gotta hope that people let him work and do his thing this term. Last time he spent a lot of his presidency fighting petty challenges and bloody impeachment just because they didn’t like him and he bested their beloved Clinton.

The thing to remember, and what I am not sure he fully understood the first time around, he can do very little alone. He needs to build coalitions, he needs every republican in office (yes, including any RINOs), and as @mdwest notes, he needs to recognize and exploit the art of the achievable.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I'm battening down the hatches for phase two of the election, the part where the Dems try another angle to attack his legitimacy, namely his conviction as a felon and any other schemes they can dream up. This ain't over until the fat man sings.
Having said that, if Biden was any kind of leader, he'd pardon Trump of any and all real or perceived transgressions.

Hard to question his legitimacy this time after he won the popular vote and they have almost violently defended the security of the election system for the last four years.

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

 

[Hunt anything]

@Red Leg , in your professional opinion, what effect will the North Korean soldiers have on the war? Sorry if you have explained before but I have to take some time from this thread to maintain some sanity and am too lazy to read many of the posts I miss.

Do the Russians not have any air defense around their naval bases? Those drones look like landing geese and look very vulnerable.

 

[Red Leg]

I'm battening down the hatches for phase two of the election, the part where the Dems try another angle to attack his legitimacy, namely his conviction as a felon and any other schemes they can dream up. This ain't over until the fat man sings.
Having said that, if Biden was any kind of leader, he'd pardon Trump of any and all real or perceived transgressions.

I may be pollyannaish, but I am hoping winning the popular vote will leave a lot of those tactics stillborn. As @Rocked and Loaded correctly notes, there also is no "stolen election" myth that can be created by the democrats in the way the republicans did in '16. A major step in the right direction would be for NY to grant Trump's appeal and throw out the "40 felony" conviction case before it goes to sentencing.

 

[Certus]

Also - now we just hope no one takes another shot at Trump. If they were so desperate in his candidacy then what’s his presidency going to be like?

Also I remember MSM running a story about how Trump “will have to live with the shame of being a 1 term president”,
Nope! Unlike Biden, but I bet those sorts of news titles won’t be running about him on the way out.

 

[mdwest]

Just gotta hope that people let him work and do his thing this term. Last time he spent a lot of his presidency fighting petty challenges and bloody impeachment just because they didn’t like him and he bested their beloved Clinton.

Thats something else to consider in terms of Trump not needing to push too hard, too fast..

If he is going to be effective.. he has 2 years until the mid terms...

and while R's now control both the house and the senate.. margins are still thin in both bodies.. and there are still members of the R party in both of those houses that are NOT bought in on a Trump white house..

Romney is gone now.. but his replacement is really no more of a right winger than Mitt was.. Susan Collins readily crosses the aisle and works with more centrist D initiatives on occasion... she went so far as to publicly announce that not only would she not vote for trump in this last election cycle, but that she was writing in Nikki Haleys name in protest.. Murkowski did the same thing.. she openly opposes almost everything Trump stands for, and she wrote in Haley.. Todd Young in Indiana strongly and openly opposes Trump.. Even with 52 R senators sitting in the upper house.. Trump hardly has a cake walk set out in front of him.. and if he goes too far, too fast, it only takes a couple of those I just listed to shut down anything he wants to get legislated..

Hes got things a little easier in the house these days... but the margin is thinner in the house than in the senate from a % perspective.. and there are still never trumpers present there.. rest assured Greg Pence (Mike Pence's brother.. the R congressman from IN) will not support much of anything he views as important to Trump.. nor will Valadao from CA, who ran on the R ticket, but is fairly left of center IMO (but probably right of center in a Californians eyes), who very openly said he would not cast a vote for Trump in 2024..

Just because the house and the senate have been won doesnt mean we're automatically getting a border wall, mass deportation, mass layoffs in the Fed Gov, or anything else that people are already clamoring for..

If he doesnt find a way to get support from the house and the senate, we're going to be back to the same old thing we experienced from 2016-2020... with nothing but in fighting, political jockeying, and plenty of mean tweets flying around..

Which will lead to a frustrated American public.. and a mid term opportunity for the D's to take one or both houses back..

ALL republicans should be playing chess right now.. not checkers... the game at hand is far more complex than most people understand or believe..

 

[Red Leg]

@Red Leg , in your professional opinion, what effect will the North Korean soldiers have on the war? Sorry if you have explained before but I have to take some time from this thread to maintain some sanity and am too lazy to read many of the posts I miss.

Do the Russians not have any air defense around their naval bases? Those drones look like landing geese and look very vulnerable.

Yes those are very primitive by US/NATO standards. They are basically miniature piper cubs packed with fuel and explosives. That said, flying such weapons that deep into into Russia and successfully hitting their target is rather astounding. They are also somewhat difficult to engage with modern anti-aircraft systems because they are so slow. As the Ukrainians have discovered shooting down the Iranian Shahad drones, old school flak systems like the German Gephard or ZSU with its quad 23mm guns are much more effective. Has to be embarrassing as hell to the Kremlin.

I personally think the North Koreans will be little more than targets. They have zero combat experience from top to bottom. They simply represent someone else to die in lieu of Russians in whatever sector they are eventually employed - which is beginning to look like Kursk.

 

[bowjijohn]

The thing to remember, and what I am not sure he fully understood the first time around, he can do very little alone. He needs to build coalitions, he needs every republican in office (yes, including any RINOs), and as @mdwest notes, he needs to recognize and exploit the art of the achievable.

He requires support from other countries also

I predicted a clean sweep

I believe that he is the lesser of two evils

I congratulate him on his success

I remain yet to be convinced of his foreign policies and strategies

We all wait with bated breath

As for the USA?

You got dealt a ‘get out of jail free’ card

I’m pleased for you

Please don’t shaft the rest of us

Sleep well Kamala - rest assured - you won’t be missed

J

 

[ActionBob]

I'm battening down the hatches for phase two of the election, the part where the Dems try another angle to attack his legitimacy, namely his conviction as a felon and any other schemes they can dream up. This ain't over until the fat man sings.
Having said that, if Biden was any kind of leader, he'd pardon Trump of any and all real or perceived transgressions.

No way can they effectively do anything. We the people won and won big enough to secure that

The Free World has been freed!

Trump needs to just get to work today or tomorrow. He can start now! He can start setting the tone publicly. It appears he has a much better transition team in place already and I'm hopeful that will only improve starting today.

I'm probably most excited about Musk coming in and gutting the inefficiency out where he can. Loved his Mother's interview! When asked if it was realistic to cut $2 Trillian out of the federal government, she smiled and said that's just Elon being modest, he can do a lot better than that

 

[cpr0312]

 

[mdwest]

Also - now we just hope no one takes another shot at Trump. If they were so desperate in his candidacy then what’s his presidency going to be like?

Also I remember MSM running a story about how Trump “will have to live with the shame of being a 1 term president”,
Nope! Unlike Biden, but I bet those sorts of news titles won’t be running about him on the way out.

There is always someone out there plotting to off the US President... the number of credible threats the USSS responds to annually is shocking...

That said.. no sane person on the left wants Trump taken out at this point...

Their best hope is he goes back to being the person everyone hated for his behavior, and they can sway the house and senate back to their side in 2 years (rest assured MASSIVE campaign efforts are already underway as of this morning)..

If Trump gets tagged now... they have JD Vance to contend with for the next 4 years... and I am certain that absolutely terrifies them (just as conservative, bought in on most Trump ideals, young, energetic, and not nearly as polarizing... )...

In fact, if Trump is smart, and can stand sharing the spotlight.. he should be pushing Vance out in front of every major initiative starting on day 1... Vance has the potential to unify the R party.. and that would also position Vance to carry on a Trump legacy for 8 more years after 2028..

 

[Brent in Az]

There has not been a definitive election of any president in my or your lifetime at the end of the day on Election Day. The most anyone can hope for is that one candidate concedes, therefore allowing the electorate to sleep well assuming they have closure.

Nothing is definitive until sometime on January sixth. The hemming and hawing over some legal imperative to have a winner named on election night is just silly. With every state having the right to count ballots any way they see fit it’s surprising we have a declared winner within a month.

In an election that’s anticipated to be decided on a razor thin margin it’s probably going to take some time to count every legal vote regardless of how anyone feels about the individual rules in any state. Were this a landslide election it would be pretty easy to determine the point at which all the uncounted ballots wouldn’t change the outcome. I would not blame either candidate for holding out until defeat is slapping them in the face before conceding. It’d be pretty embarrassing to have to Al Gore the loss (no take-backs).

Well......this certainly didn't age well.

Are you in mourning today?

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

I also think this is the end of Harris’ career. The other potential candidates stepped back and let her replace Biden without a struggle so she could be sacrificed if she lost. They saw a weak position and decided to let her have it.

If she somehow won, all the better. But now she’s out of the way and the more ambitious dems will already be looking to 2028 without have to carry a mediocre Biden legacy or a second Harris term.

She was always a weak candidate, Junior senator, hardly any executive/foreign affair experience, uncharismatic. This was her only shot at moving up and she blew it. There will be lip service to how great she would have been but the DNC will quietly move her out of the way like Hillary and start promoting stronger candidates.

I predict she will run in 2028 but will drop out after the first couple primary contests, depending on how she does she may try for a position in the administration of the front runner in exchange for the endorsement.

 

[Dirtdart]

It's a constitutional amendment to throw the door wide open on abortion. It prevents the state gov't from passing any legislation that restricts abortion in any way. No age restrictions on who can get an abortion, no parental notification if a minor, no restriction on who can perform an abortion and of course no limit on when the abortion can be performed with respect to how long the woman has been pregnant.

So an abortion can be had by a 12 year old if she and only she wishes, up to the moment of birth and by Joe the Abortion Guy with no medical training whatsoever. At least that's how I read it.

I have been getting flyers like this for months with the same message but different graphics.

My thought process on the matter was what percentage of women are not aware they are pregnant at six weeks? (current law) At what stage would the vast majority of women know they are pregnant?
I can't answer that one but I think it is well before the water breaks.

My next question was what percentage of abortions performed in Florida were because of the danger the pregnancy posed to the mother? What percentage of abortions were performed due to rape and incest?
Of the sources I could find both private and government the combined total of all three was less than 1%. I also believe that the percentage of people that would be against aborting for any those three reasons to be a small.

The language of the proposed amendment was purposely vague as to allow all of the things that you mentioned and nothing to do with the arguments presented. Very deceptive. The proposed amendment did not pass.