Politics

[WAB]

Mugabe, at least at first, was supported by most of the Western world.

The Brits kind of had to after betraying the Rhodesians. I suspect they regretted that decision.

 

[Zambezi]

Mugabe, at least at first, was supported by most of the Western world.

Yep, geopolitics at play without thought or care for the people involved

 

[Hunt anything]

The Brits kind of had to after betraying the Rhodesians. I suspect they regretted that decision.

Speaking of Rhodesia; isn’t 11 November the date they declared their independence?

 

[Tundra Tiger]

Apparently this "racist and vile" cartoon has the "Squad" deeply unhappy. It apparently ran in the Washington Post.

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We'll see if I lose any friends on FB. I just shared this cartoon and a mini-rant on my FB page...

 

[WAB]

We'll see if I lose any friends on FB. I just shared this cartoon and a mini-rant on my FB page...

Prepare for your jail sentence!

 

[Hunt anything]

Apparently this "racist and vile" cartoon has the "Squad" deeply unhappy. It apparently ran in the Washington Post.

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I’m pro anything that brings out the pure idiocy of the squad.

 

[Wheels]

The real tragedy to me is that we don't weed out those that aren't here looking for a better life. My best friend is Mexican, my grandson is about 1/4 Mexican. There are a ton of wonderful Hispanics here in the US, and sending them all "back" would be impossible.

I, personally, am a bigger fan of working up a plan for a path to citenship. For example IMO:
- no citizenship for at least 15 years, and no child born here is an automatic citizen either.
- work and pay taxes.
-do not vote.
- do not get arrested, even a misdemeanor.
-take integration training (years) to teach about history, policy, language, etc of the US.
-serve in the military for a couple years.
- community service, like infrastructure assistance.
- and many other ideas I'm sure.

Use a point system and if they get too many negative points, they and their family go home. If enough positive points, after 15 years, they're a citizen. A number of years ago, we had enough jobs to employee 500,000 Mexicans, yet we only gave out 50,000 Visa's. Wanna see a great program for migrant workers that is working, check out the H2 program.

The problem at the border aren't the Mexicans who over all are a hardworking asset to America.

Most of the people crossing the border now fall into two broad categories.

1. Indigenous people from Central America and South America. Over 50% of them are not working but living on welfare once they get to America.

2. People from the rest of the world that are being flown in by NGO's , primarily into Columbia and sailing across the Darien Gap, or into San Salvador. These then take busses and trains to the border and cross. Catholic Charities and other organizations are minting money from America and UN organizations supporting these people along the way to the US border.

It is truly an organized invasion.

 

[Wathe208]

The problem at the border aren't the Mexicans who over all are a hardworking asset to America.

Most of the people crossing the border now fall into two broad categories.

1. Indigenous people from Central America and South America. Over 50% of them are not working but living on welfare once they get to America.

2. People from the rest of the world that are being flown in by NGO's , primarily into Columbia and sailing across the Darien Gap, or into San Salvador. These then take busses and trains to the border and cross. Catholic Charities and other organizations are minting money from America and UN organizations supporting these people along the way to the US border.

It is truly an organized invasion.

Kind of my point, wasn't just talking about Mexico, hence my mention of Hispanics. Regardless, my point (which is my own)is I feel there should be some path to citizenship that requires consequence.

Your point #2 is right on. I was sheep hunting in Senora as the original "migrant caravan" was heading to the US. I was at a small border stop near Carboca right in the middle of about 9 busses. Not one mother or child to be seen, yet people were lined up behind the checkpoint throwing water, food, and blankets to what I literally thought were prison busses carrying convicts. 18- 40 YO males (heavily tattood) is all I saw. It was unnerving to say the least. The were obviously well funded and supported. Only when I got back to the states from my hunt did I learn about all the poor mothers with shoeless children in the "migrant caravan." I'm sure many a leftist dollar was donated to that lie.

I would also add category 3. Drug and human traffickers, criminals looking to capitalize on our "generous and trusting nature," and bad apples intending to do us harm.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

 

[Hunter4752001]

Southern border easy solution.

Transfer responsibility from current LEAs to a taskforce of US FWS and State based Game Wardens. Charge a licence fee with no bag limit. Publicise the result widely south of border.

Benefits: problem goes away, hunter spending create economic boom in local communities, tactical wannabes finally have a use for all their tacticool sniper rifles etc, US citizens regain their reputation as crazy gringos who shouldn't be messed with

ps. Just in case there is any doubt, this post is totally tongue in cheek -

 

[Newboomer]

Southern border easy solution.

Transfer responsibility from current LEAs to a taskforce of US FWS and State based Game Wardens. Charge a licence fee with no bag limit. Publicise the result widely south of border.

Benefits: problem goes away, hunter spending create economic boom in local communities, tactical wannabes finally have a use for all their tacticool sniper rifles etc, US citizens regain their reputation as crazy gringos who shouldn't be messed with

ps. Just in case there is any doubt, this post is totally tongue in cheek -

I m ight add that since our troops are home from asscrackistan, put them on the border and give them free rein, no holds barred.

 

[Tanks]

I m ight add that since our troops are home from asscrackistan, put them on the border and give them free rein, no holds barred.

They don't get free rein even overseas and have to follow ROE. Not to mention, I think it is against the law to use them domestically.

 

[Red Leg]

They don't get free rein even overseas and have to follow ROE. Not to mention, I think it is against the law to use them domestically.

And what orders would we give them? Try to kill only the males over 18 and just wound the women and children? They are trained to stop an enemy by overwhelming indirect and direct fires.

And you are correct, due to the Posse Comitatus Act, they can not perform a domestic policing act without a specific act of congress. Even then, that is not what they are trained to do. I should add, armed rioters, a very different mission, are much closer to a threat for which they, particularly the Guard, have training.

 

[Hunt anything]

Put National Guard troops along the border for their AT, rotation every couple a weeks doing training. Army aviation units could fly up and down the border supporting ground troops. Just their presence would deter some crossings and maybe funnel them into BP checkpoints. They don’t take part in any active policing just “training”.

 

[Brent in Az]

Senator Joe Manchin is not going to run for re-election in 2024.

He made the statement that he is going to travel the country seeking to mobilize people to the middle moderate, and try to unify people.

I wish him luck, and hope he is successful.

 

[Hunter4752001]

OK serious comment this time.

Even putting aside legislative/constitutional restrictions, I'm dead against using troops for 'civil' purposes. Politicians like to use the military as a quick solution to a civil problem however I believe it is extremely detrimental to the fundamental purpose of the military. Inevitably such actions require troops to operate under very restrictive ROEs. A culture of hesitation and a less aggressive mind set are the unintended consequences of such uses. The purpose of the military is to fight the country's wars. To close with and kill the enemy. An aggressive mind set is an absolutely necessity, hesitation gets troops killed. Years of performing 'civil' actions degrade troops' capacity to act decisively when a real war emerges.

 

[Wathe208]

OK serious comment this time.

Even putting aside legislative/constitutional restrictions, I'm dead against using troops for 'civil' purposes. Politicians like to use the military as a quick solution to a civil problem however I believe it is extremely detrimental to the fundamental purpose of the military. Inevitably such actions require troops to operate under very restrictive ROEs. A culture of hesitation and a less aggressive mind set are the unintended consequences of such uses. The purpose of the military is to fight the country's wars. To close with and kill the enemy. An aggressive mind set is an absolutely necessity, hesitation gets troops killed. Years of performing 'civil' actions degrade troops' capacity to act decisively when a real war emerges.

Good point, but I question if this is past a civil issue, and has become a military issue. IMO, we are being invaded with both good and bad actors. People and drugs are coming into this country in unprecedented numbers.

In my non-military mind, wouldn't it be interesting to get the army corps of engineers to work on a border structure, while the military guards the "open" border. Communication could easily be passed on that the boys are off the chain and that if you refuse to be detained (i.e. run), deadly force will be used. Sort the good from the bad, and act accordingly.

Just wishful thinking out loud I suppose.

 

[Red Leg]

Good point, but I question if this is past a civil issue, and has become a military issue. IMO, we are being invaded with both good and bad actors. People and drugs are coming into this country in unprecedented numbers.

In my non-military mind, wouldn't it be interesting to get the army corps of engineers to work on a border structure, while the military guards the "open" border. Communication could easily be passed on that the boys are off the chain and that if you refuse to be detained (i.e. run), deadly force will be used. Sort the good from the bad, and act accordingly.

Just wishful thinking out loud I suppose.

What order should I give a young soldier in the scenario you describe.? Shoot that mother and two small children because they are running away? What would be the political and social costs of that sort of draconian ROE?

It is one thing to kill civilians in a collateral damage incident with a bombing mission, another to tell a young private to put that red dot between the shoulder blades of a fleeing noncombatant. Would you be eager to either give that order or actually pull the trigger? By the way, both the action and order would be severely punishable under the Law of Land Warfare.

It is simply the wrong mission for combat troops. Yes you could have the Corps of Engineers do the barrier work - though in reality, they would subcontract to a civilian firm and exercise oversight. Actual combat engineer equipment isn't really designed to build walls. Interior or Homeland Security could to do that yesterday.

 

[steve white]

If the cartels cross the border to operate as they are now doing in Mexico the whole conversation about military use will change....shades of Pancho Villa and American troops crossing into Mexico to take care of business.

 

[Red Leg]

If the cartels cross the border to operate as they are now doing in Mexico the whole conversation about military use will change....shades of Pancho Villa and American troops crossing into Mexico to take care of business.

Different issue entirely. They represent an armed non-state actor that would be fair game for combat troops. Though in their case, I assume we would hand the mission to JSOC rather than regular infantry.