Politics

[Mopani]

Maybe Trump is a Russian agent?…

Opinion | This Never Happened With an American President Before

Trump’s behavior in the Oval Office with Zelensky was an unparalleled break with American foreign policy.

www.nytimes.com

 

[LivingTheDream]

They went from September 2023 until April 2024 without US support thanks to the republican house.

Why didnt Biden use draw down authority at that time?

 

[mutedblade]

I don’t know anyone who thinks that everyone I know believes Russia is a massive global threat and should be opposed at every turn.

According to Red Leg, Russia is a shell of it's former self because of the tenacity and fortitude of those brave Ukrainians. They had no help in doing so for the past year (again, according to him), so if they're doing all that without our help already, then WHY come to the Oval Office to get Uncle Sugar involved again?

Everyone I know (retirees, farmers and heavy construction workers that work in the DC metro area) have absolutely no desire to keep sending their tax dollars to have another proxy war with Russia. If Russia was the boogeyman everyone claims, then I'm fairly certain the rest of Europe would have gotten together by now to lay some hate on 'em!

 

[CJW]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he's done.

If I were Zelensky, I would be seriously thinking about a plan B or plan C right about now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895645387437875488

Did Zelensky really demand US ground troops? First I've heard of it.

Rubio looks like a bored little kid wanting to go home to get out of that suit.

 

[Pondoro]

Zelensky told Trump and Vance the truth, but they cant handle the truth.. Instead they started the shitstorm that we all witnessed.

Trump only want credit for orchestrating a peace and subsequently leave the rest to Europe. Then he will brag about making peace..and push all commitement and cost on to Europe. If that is not enough he demand to exploit a war ridden country of their resources.

Trump will not commit USA to secure Ukraine. A peace treaty without a military promise is worth nada.

Why on earth should Z sign something like this..? Before a deal on military security is on the table..?

That is what Z tried to tell them in the Oval Room..instead they kept on humiliating him.

Z has repetedly thanked USA for the support.. For the last 3 years. He has nothing to apologize, sans perhaps that he should wear a black suit visiting The White House..

 

[GuttormG]

Guess Trump has managed to do what Soviet/Russia has tried for 75 years, break up NATO.

Hopefully USA can come up with better candidates for their next election but the relationship with Europe is probably damaged beyond repair, EU will evolve quickly to a "suoerstare" with a common military.

 

[gbflyer]

Imagine this. You are president of the USA. Another country invades and holds most of California, Arizona and Texas. Unspeakable atrocities and war crimes are being visited upon your citizens. Another democratic country has been helping you with grants of old-stock weapons. After three years this terrible situation they say, ‘Here’s a deal. Give us control of your valuable minerals and ports, give up the rest of those states and stop resisting your invader,’ just when they’re worn out, by the way. They offer no assurance of further help if you are attacked again, which is highly likely given the aggressor has declared this intention.

Would you agree to that?

I wouldn’t.

You forgot the part about California, Arizona and Texas are separatists and you as the USA have been bombing your own countrymen for a couple years ahead of time.

 

[TTundra]

Trump will not commit USA to secure Ukraine. A peace treaty without a military promise is worth nada.

That is what Z tried to tell them in the Oval Room..instead they kept on humiliating him.

I think so many are only looking at this from their perspectives. Try some of us in the US...

Were tired of wars. I'm 38 and 20 years of my life the US was at war. I'm tired of spending trillions of dollars (yes, TRILLIONS) of US dollars on foreign wars, sending 10s of thousands to their death, some of my friends included. Having to always be on the lookout for homeland attacks that take billions of dollars and more lives to prevent.

Zelensky would have had a deal (that was already negotiated mind you) that likely would have ended the war in a win-win for both countries, stopped Russia, and lay groundwork for new jobs and projects for generations of Ukrainians. He insisted amending that deal which illustrates his inability to take emotion out of best interests for his country. Add additional deals later, but just get this first one done.

His Ambassadors face says it all as she realized his actions will.now cost hundreds if not thousands of more lives.


Anyone can complain at what was said, however, this was Zelenskys deal to sign or sink. He chose the latter.

 

[Altitude sickness]

Zelenskyy stated last night that the deal is still being worked behind the scenes. And he still wants the mineral deal.
It was apparent that he sees himself on equal footing as Trump.

Zelenskyy has had a pretty rough 3 years so he could be cut some slack for overplaying his position.

I don’t agree that it was the best negotiation strategy.
But. I respect his balls to go against everyone sitting in that room. And deep down Trump respects his tenacity also.