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[Altitude sickness]

Both those gentlemen, Gabbard and the VP were officers in military and know damn well they shouldn’t have been typing anything even hinting at plans on an app.

Unless as you are alluding to Mdwest that there was a purpose for leaking it. And those details might come out in the closed session.

 

[SaintPanzer]

Riddle me this Batman...

How is it that the press may make public known classified information but Snowden and Assange are wanted criminals?

I fully support our First amendment rights but there should be a limit.

Oh, that's an easy question. Go back to your Classified Information Responsibilities briefings.

IF you've been given a Clearance, Need to Know, and information, you are required to safeguard that information. Just because the information is "leaked" does not mean it is suddenly "unclassified".

Snowden knowingly took information he was required to safeguard, and released it.

Assange is a different case entirely. True, he published information he knew was classified, but that is not the charge. His original charge was for violating the UK Bail Act. He was charged by the US not for publishing classified information, but for conspiring with hackers to breach systems to get more classified information. the violation of the Espionage Act was not the publication, but the conspiracy to gain information. That's a different charge.

 

[Tanks]

Riddle me this Batman...

How is it that the press may make public known classified information but Snowden and Assange are wanted criminals?

I fully support our First amendment rights but there should be a limit.

Snowden should be prosecuted. I think Assange was a bridge too far. People are breaking US laws all over the World and I don't think US should go after them unless a US citizen is involved. Bribing African officials for preferential business opportunities is illegal for US citizens. However, Chinese doing the same thing does not mean the US can go after them.

 

[Wheels]

Goldberg waits until the day before the USSCI meeting on intelligence to publish the Signal group chat. Obviously the Signal Chat becomes the main topic of the public meeting. Cotton is Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

This poster generally does a good job on research and indicates the individual that added Goldberg to the chat is Alex Wong. Wong used to work for Cotton. He also worked for Covington and Burling, a law firm Trump suspended security clearance on. If this post is correct in identifying Wong, there is a lot of strange stuff happening here. ....and probably not the end of the story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904551173488586788

 

[Red Leg]

Oh, that's an easy question. Go back to your Classified Information Responsibilities briefings.

IF you've been given a Clearance, Need to Know, and information, you are required to safeguard that information. Just because the information is "leaked" does not mean it is suddenly "unclassified".

Snowden knowingly took information he was required to safeguard, and released it.

Assange is a different case entirely. True, he published information he knew was classified, but that is not the charge. His original charge was for violating the UK Bail Act. He was charged by the US not for publishing classified information, but for conspiring with hackers to breach systems to get more classified information. the violation of the Espionage Act was not the publication, but the conspiracy to gain information. That's a different charge.

Exactly correct. Were I a holder of a security clearance and provided access to classified material to someone without a clearance, I would be the one going to jail regardless what they might do with it.

 

[Red Leg]

Goldberg waits until the day before the USSCI meeting on intelligence to publish the Signal group chat. Obviously the Signal Chat becomes the main topic of the public meeting. Cotton is Chairman of the Intelligence Committee.

This poster generally does a good job on research and indicates the individual that added Goldberg to the chat is Alex Wong. Wong used to work for Cotton. He also worked for Covington and Burling, a law firm Trump suspended security clearance on. If this post is correct in identifying Wong, there is a lot of strange stuff happening here. ....and probably not the end of the story.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904551173488586788

Of course he does. It will assure maximum coverage and embarrassment. He is who he is, and what he did was perfectly legal. I find it hard to believe that anyone not working directly for Waltz, who initiated the call, had any control over the guest list. The Fox version of events indicates the call was set up by an NDC staffer. That would make sense. How Goldberg found his way onto it is, I am certain, of great interest to the National Security Advisor. If Wong, I suspect he will be going back to K Street.

Trump reveals who was behind Signal text chain leak

President Donald Trump revealed a staffer with national security advisor Mike Waltz's office added the editor in chief of the Atlantic to a Signal group chat.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Wheels]

Both those gentlemen, Gabbard and the VP were officers in military and know damn well they shouldn’t have been typing anything even hinting at plans on an app.

Unless as you are alluding to Mdwest that there was a purpose for leaking it. And those details might come out in the closed session.

Ratcliff testified today at USSCI that a Signals group is considered the approved way to discuss policy and was used by the Biden administration.

 

[Wheels]

Of course he does. It will assure maximum coverage and embarrassment. He is who he is, and what he did was perfectly legal. I find it hard to believe that anyone not working directly for Waltz, who initiated the call, had any control over the guest list. The Fox version of events indicates the call was set up by a NDC staffer. That would make sense. How Goldberg found his way onto it is, I am certain, of great interest to the National Security Advisor. If Wong, I suspect he will be going back to K Street.

Trump reveals who was behind Signal text chain leak

President Donald Trump revealed a staffer with national security advisor Mike Waltz's office added the editor in chief of the Atlantic to a Signal group chat.

www.foxnews.com

Agree. Looks like Wong is a Deputy National Security Advisor.

 

[mdwest]

Both those gentlemen, Gabbard and the VP were officers in military and know damn well they shouldn’t have been typing anything even hinting at plans on an app.

Unless as you are alluding to Mdwest that there was a purpose for leaking it. And those details might come out in the closed session.

We're saying the same thing... Gabbard and Vance both would be aware of NIPR, SIPR, and other less known systems that are in place for the sharing of sensitive information.. in their positions in the military (even with Vance being a low ranking enlisted guy and Gabbard being an MP guardsman) they both would very likely have used a variety of systems for group real time communication that are DOD approved/authorized.. Although I doubt either of them had cause to hold a clearance higher than SECRET in the positions they held while serving in the military (TS would have come from fed govt positions that they obtained later)..

Hegseth was commissioned, but I doubt any position he held while serving required a clearance higher than SECRET either based on what I know about his career.. but again, he would be well aware of NIPR, SIPR, and other systems Im referencing that are used for communicating classified information..

Waltz is a former Special Forces officer (field grade).. he absolutely has been exposed to, and has used the systems Im alluding to... and certainly has held a TS clearance for many years before moving into politics..

But they collectively chose to use Signal?

And somehow by "accident" a known adversary gets included in their discussion group? And not only does no one notice when that person gets included.. but no one notices through the entire length of the discussion?

That doesn't smell of incompetence to me when you consider the players involved and the subject matter involved..

That smells of a purposefully executed action..

Id argue that whatever the purpose was, it was stupid.. and clearly backfired...

But you're going to have a very hard time convincing me this was an innocent (or not so innocent) "mistake"..

Waltz and I served in the same battalion (although he is a few year groups behind me and I was leaving the unit about the time he came to it).. as a result, I personally know a handful of people that served directly with him.. By all accounts he is no idiot.. in fact everyone I have talked to that has worked with him declares him to be nothing shy of a brilliant tactician, a solid leader, and extremely detail oriented/focused.. these arent the sort of "mistakes" he would make..

Something definitely isn't "right" about all of this... I definitely don't think it was an "oops"..

 

[mdwest]

Ratcliff testified today at USSCI that a Signals group is considered the approved way to discuss policy and was used by the Biden administration.

Policy, yes.. I could agree with that.. Signal is a reasonably secure resource (at least more secure than telegram, WhatsApp, and most of its common competitors)..

Im not sure what this group was talking about was strictly a matter of policy though...

 

[Brent in Az]

Maybe Trump has a mole in his cabinet? He certainly did the first term.

 

[375 Ruger Fan]

Agree. Looks like Wong is a Deputy National Security Advisor.

So Wong was wrong?

 

[SaintPanzer]

Snowden should be prosecuted. I think Assange was a bridge too far. People are breaking US laws all over the World and I don't think US should go after them unless a US citizen is involved. Bribing African officials for preferential business opportunities is illegal for US citizens. However, Chinese doing the same thing does not mean the US can go after them.

Not sure I can 100% agree with that.

I agree with the part that we wouldn't charge the Chinese guy.

But the charge on Assange was the same we would use if, for example, a KGB officer was trying to turn a US Security Clearance holder. That's why it was charged under the Espionage Act, not some anti-bribery act.

 

[Red Leg]

A rather sobering bit of thermal imagery illustrating the short brutal lives of a Russian infantrymen. The Ukrainians are using primarily domestically produced thermal imaging FPV (suicide) drones to attack Russian personnel, vehicles, and combat platforms. They either carry a two-four lb fragmentation device or a shaped charge for penetrating armor. The blast radius of the frag is 5-15 meters depending upon size and terrain.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904399423435600271

 

[Aaron N]

Every student should have to pass the same test that an immigrant passes to gain citizenship.

Question 1: Did dinosaurs exist?

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

First election promise on rearming made today ironically by the liberals. Carney announced he would purchase additional submarines build ice breakers and river class destroyers. There was also mention on artic capable both arial and underwater drones.

No mention was made if that would include the destroyers and artic patrol ships already under contract at Irving. Could well be a rebranding of an already existing contract at least partially.

 

[steve white]

A rather sobering bit of thermal imagery illustrating the short brutal lives of a Russian infantrymen. The Ukrainians are using primarily domestically produced thermal imaging FPV (suicide) drones to attack Russian personnel, vehicles, and combat platforms. They either carry a two-four lb fragmentation device or a shaped charge for penetrating armor. The blast radius of the frag is 5-15 meters depending upon size and terrain.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904399423435600271

They would have been just as well off risking their lives while trying to overthrow Putin.

 

[Tubby’s Canteen]

A rather sobering bit of thermal imagery illustrating the short brutal lives of a Russian infantrymen. The Ukrainians are using primarily domestically produced thermal imaging FPV (suicide) drones to attack Russian personnel, vehicles, and combat platforms. They either carry a two-four lb fragmentation device or a shaped charge for penetrating armor. The blast radius of the frag is 5-15 meters depending upon size and terrain.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904399423435600271

It is a testament to the destructive nature of human kind that we strive to find ever more creative ways to kill our fellow man, instinct and marshal prowess seem to count less and less with each generation of advancement. I cannot imagine being forced to choose between treason and being forced into the hell that is the modern battlefield. What ever their motives it’s important to realize we just witnessed the final moments of a dozen or more lives. May god grant them the peace denied them in life.

 

[Scott CWO]

A rather sobering bit of thermal imagery illustrating the short brutal lives of a Russian infantrymen. The Ukrainians are using primarily domestically produced thermal imaging FPV (suicide) drones to attack Russian personnel, vehicles, and combat platforms. They either carry a two-four lb fragmentation device or a shaped charge for penetrating armor. The blast radius of the frag is 5-15 meters depending upon size and terrain.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1904399423435600271

If I was a young man considering serving in the armed forces, I wouldn't be thinking of infantry having seen these tactics evolve. This cannot be good for infantry recruitment in any army right now.

 

[WAB]

If I was a young man considering serving in the armed forces, I wouldn't be thinking of infantry having seen these tactics evolve. This cannot be good for infantry recruitment in any army right now.

Agreed. Offensive weapons and tactics appear to be outpacing defensive capabilities.