Small Bore Double Rifles

[Red Leg]

One also finds quite a few pre-war German drillings with the rIfle caliber in 5.6x52r. For a roe deer it would be fine. For a red stag - not so much.

 

[Major Khan]

One also finds quite a few pre-war German drillings with the rIfle caliber in 5.6x52r. For a roe deer it would be fine. For a red stag - not so much.

Sir , are roe deer similar to our kakar deer ... in size ?

 

[Hunter4752001]

I've often speculated that the Russian 7.62x54R round would have made a batter double rifle cartridge than its actual role in bolts and MGs. A nice rimmed cartridge with a body taper that seems just right for the job.

 

[HWL]

One also finds quite a few pre-war German drillings with the rifle caliber in 5.6x52R. For a roe deer it would be fine......

Sauer made it until the 60s...... beautiful guns.

https://www.africahunting.com/media/double-barrel-shotguns.83130/

For the S2-Lovers.... combination of 9,3x47R and 5,6x52R!

https://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=8677819

HWL

 

[Dinosaur]

Good day , Dinosaur . During my 10 year career as a professional shikaree ... I have had the good fortune , to have clients bring BOTH the Savage Model 99 AND double barreled rifles ... Which were chambered in 5.6 × 52 mm Rimmed .

How ever , the double barreled rifles were ALL built by John Rigby & Co .

I must give you a word of warning , how ever . Yes , Reverend Caldwell ( Author of " The Blue Tiger " ) DID dispatch 1 tiger with a Savage Model 99 ... Which was chambered in 5.6 × 52 mm Rimmed . How ever , what most people do not know , is :
> He only killed 1 tiger with this calibre .
> The tiger was an Oriental tiger , which is FAR lighter than a royal Bengal tiger ( Royal Bengal tigers weigh 500 pounds . Oriental tigers weigh only 400 pounds ) .
> His shot was able to dispatch the tiger ... Only because he shot it in the stomach , and it's stomach was FULL of food ( A half digested mongrel ) . The resulting explosion of gases in the brute's stomach ... Was what killed it .

And yes . Karamojo Bell writes about witnessing a gentle man lay low 23 African buffaloes ... With a Savage Model 99 , which was chambered in 5.6 × 52 mm Rimmed . How ever , what most people do not know is :
> The buffalo , which were dispatched ... Were West African forest buffalo . These are the smallest species of African buffalo . FAR smaller than a Cape buffalo .
> The herd was full of females and immature bulls . Not large fully mature West African forest buffalo bulls .
> The shooter wounded all of the animals with lung shots . When the buffaloes saw blood on the other buffaloes ... They went insane ( Like all bovines do , when they see the colour red ) and began to gore the wounded buffaloes to death . The shooter simply kept wounding each member of the herd , with lung shots . By the time the last few buffaloes were left standing ... They were SO weakened by blood loss ( From the lung shots and also from getting wounded by the other members of the herd ) , that finishing them off ... Became a straight forward affair .

To conclude ... The 5.6 × 52 mm Rimmed is NOT a dangerous game calibre !

G'day Major Khan,

I always thought it was pretty silly, and did find a short article on one buffalo shot with one, that needed a follow up shot, but it wasn't a big bull, but could find nothing on the tiger hunts with the caliber in question, and, oh boy, have you filled me in on the details that I was originally searching for, and more.

It would have been terrible to have seen in it in real life, if I was there, I think I would have clouted the hunter who decided to create the chaos.

I would still love a double of that caliber, but it would only be for soft skinned game down here in Australia.

On the medium sized Australian Pigs, it was really effective, but, they aren't the thick padded Wild Boars that you have in India.

Regards

Rob

 

[perttime]

I've often speculated that the Russian 7.62x54R round would have made a batter double rifle cartridge than its actual role in bolts and MGs. A nice rimmed cartridge with a body taper that seems just right for the job.

Or slightly better: 7.62x53R, which is almost identical but uses the 'western standard' .308 bullets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×53mmR

Actually, I've been thinking that a single shot kipplaufbüchse in 7.62x53R would be good.

 

[HWL]

Or slightly better: 7.62x53R, which is almost identical but uses the 'western standard' .308 bullets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×53mmR

Actually, I've been thinking that a single shot kipplaufbüchse in 7.62x53R would be good.

One step further, 9,3x53R, and you have the perfect "Hirvenkivääri"



HWL

 

[Tanks]

One step further, 9,3x53R, and you have the perfect "Hirvenkivääri"



HWL

You'd call 9.3x53R small bore?

 

[MS 9x56]

Define small bore?

My one and only double is 9.3x74r. I sure plan on taking it deer hunting this year. Yeah, that's like 5 months away but still!

The season may be closed but the planning and scouting are year round activities.

 

[HWL]

You'd call 9.3x53R small bore?

Are'nt they?



HWL

 

[Saul]

Does anyone still mess with the 9.3x72R? It is pretty hard to find an example of one that is not in an old drilling.

 

[HWL]

Does anyone still mess with the 9.3x72R? It is pretty hard to find an example of one that is not in an old drilling.

O/U combination gun made by Greiffelt Suhl in the 20s.

9,3x72R, 16 ga. with .22 long rifle insert barrel.

Zeiss 1,5-6x36 D Diavari on claws,

Not a beauty after 100 years of service,....but even today a reliable performer.

HWL

 

[Saul]

@HWL does your daughter still have that 6.5x75r double? Does she use it regularly? For what game? It has got to be a handy rifle with no kick.

 

[HWL]

@HWL does your daughter still have that 6.5x75r double? Does she use it regularly? For what game? It has got to be a handy rifle with no kick.

The 6,5x57R double rifle has become a safe queen.

My daughter has become an engineer in the chemical industry and a queen anyway.

But sometimes, she visits her old dad, hunting gams in the mountain.

I enjoy.....

HWL

 

[AZDAVE]

a 6.5x57R little double is on my short list to buy one day.

 

[AES]

There is a beautiful little Rigby Rising Bite in .303 coming up at auction this week. Have had my eye on it for a while. Prone to be a relatively inexpensive way to step into a vintage RB action.

 

[HWL]

A 6.5x57R little double is on my short list to buy one day.

"Dad" has an O/U....



HWL

 

[Mike johnson]

I have a .303 Simpson DR. I wouls consider it a small bore.

 

[Hunter4752001]

A lovely rifle, and in a classic calibre. I'm totally envious.

If interested there is an interesting article on the history of Simson & Co at http://www.germanhuntingguns.com/archives/archive-simson-co/

 

[Mike johnson]

Thank you