What Happened to the 27 Nosler

[Flewis]

At one time I would only walnut and blued steel, now I just can’t take them out in the rain, snow, mud, brush and rocks. It like abusing a 60’s vett or charger or any from that area. I still have nice guns, but have learned that pretty is as pretty does . Frank

 

[rookhawk]

At one time I would only walnut and blued steel, now I just can’t take them out in the rain, snow, mud, brush and rocks. It like abusing a 60’s vett or charger or any from that area. I still have nice guns, but have learned that pretty is as pretty does . Frank

better to take out a best walnut and blued gun with an oil finish and drag it through the ditch, losing 20% of its value than to buy a plastic gun that stays mint in box but lost 50% of its value loading it in the car at Cabelas and another 40% of value 20 years later when the caliber is extinct.

Plastic-fantastic is pretty funny. You get bonus points for that one!

I just can't wrap my mind around $2500-$5000 plasticfantastic guns. It all ends up at a rummage sale or pawn shop eventually and creates an emotional attachment similar to the pride of ownership of a rake or shovel. But anyway, I digress down a rabbit hole on that one. I just hate owning things that don't have lasting value. If you ever stopped by my house you'd find that everything I own is "the best that ever was" even though its quirky searching on ebay for 20-40 year old stuff they don't make any longer rather than buying the knock-off similar new one. (e.g. Vintage Thermos, vintage Surefire flashlights, vintage solingen and sheffield household knives) My views on guns are a symptom of my views on everything.

 

[Flewis]

better to take out a best walnut and blued gun with an oil finish and drag it through the ditch, losing 20% of its value than to buy a plastic gun that stays mint in box but lost 50% of its value loading it in the car at Cabelas and another 40% of value 20 years later when the caliber is extinct.

Plastic-fantastic is pretty funny. You get bonus points for that one!

I just can't wrap my mind around $2500-$5000 plasticfantastic guns. It all ends up at a rummage sale or pawn shop eventually and creates an emotional attachment similar to the pride of ownership of a rake or shovel. But anyway, I digress down a rabbit hole on that one. I just hate owning things that don't have lasting value. If you ever stopped by my house you'd find that everything I own is "the best that ever was" even though its quirky searching on ebay for 20-40 year old stuff they don't make any longer rather than buying the knock-off similar new one. (e.g. Vintage Thermos, vintage Surefire flashlights, vintage solingen and sheffield household knives) My views on guns are a symptom of my views on everything.

I understand where you’re coming from. Just can’t hunt with them.

 

[Hogpatrol]

My 2¢ I bet there will be a lot of heirs who are going to get stuck with guns not wanted. The market dwindles every day. Had a buddy with at least fifty of vintage, collectible Schutzens, and other blued steel, wood stocked classic rifles that went to auction for pennies on the dollar. A rifle he paid 10K a year earlier went for 3k. Have a bud who works two gun shops. Dad's guns come in on a regular basis and are bought for less than pennies on the dollar. Most of them sit because the new paradigm is black and plastic. Once the boomers are gone to their happy hunting grounds, and the market collapses for not only vintage firearms but all hunting rifles, I suspect the auction sites will be flooded with them at giveaway prices.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Been trying to get a 6:8 compact since they came out, no luck. Have a standing order at two big stores.

@Flewis
If you can't find one build one. Plenty of 243s screaming to be rebarrelled to a real calibre..
Bob

 

[rookhawk]

My 2¢ I bet there will be a lot of heirs who are going to get stuck with guns not wanted. The market dwindles every day. Had a buddy with at least fifty of vintage, collectible Schutzens, and other blued steel, wood stocked classic rifles that went to auction for pennies on the dollar. A rifle he paid 10K a year earlier went for 3k. Have a bud who works two gun shops. Dad's guns come in on a regular basis and are bought for less than pennies on the dollar. Most of them sit because the new paradigm is black and plastic. Once the boomers are gone to their happy hunting grounds, and the market collapses for not only vintage firearms but all hunting rifles, I suspect the auction sites will be flooded with them at giveaway prices.

True, sorta.

New bespoke guns, yes, you are going to pay $10,000 and resell it for $3000.

BUT, I'm the guy that bought it from you for $3000. And on a given day in the years to come, my family will sell it for $4500. It's the nature of almost every high end item. 1.) Massive depreciation, 2.) If desirable, slow increase in value from the deepest valley of value loss.

Same with Bamboo fly rods. Or 20 year old classic cars.

The difference is, the plastic and stainless stuff (in general, not just guns) never seems to have the "bounce back" that the premium finished and hand finished items have.

I realize we've gone a bit off target of the 27 nosler, but it sort of goes together. A rich man and a poor man can both own beautiful guns perfect for hunting that are "functional art". Just the same, the rich man and the poor man can buy plasticfantastic whether a $300 savage or a $3500 nosler. In both of the latter cases, no heir is fighting past a stream of others trying to get that $10,000 gunwerks rifle that's fifteen years old unless they really need tomato stakes in the springtime.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I have at home. I shoot a round open the bolt and walk down to look at the target. They never get warm.

@Flewis
Best way to sight ina rifle, with a cold clean or dirty barrel. That way you know your first shot is ALWAYS on the money. Game is not normally shot with a warm or hot barrel.
Bob

 

[Flewis]

@Flewis
If you can't find one build one. Plenty of 243s screaming to be rebarrelled to a real calibre..
Bob

Been thinking the same thing Bob. Thanks. Frank

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Been thinking the same thing Bob. Thanks. Frank

@Flewis
Frank just get a cheap 2nd hand Savage short action a profit barrel and do the job yourself. Cheap and easy plus there's no such thing as an inaccurate Savage.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

No love for a .270WSSM, .270SAUM, .270RUM, .270WSM or coming soon, a 6.8 Creedmoor? It'll never end! LOL

@CoElkHunter
Despite all Jack O'Connor raving about how good the 270 is I just can't really see a use for one. After using one I don't think it will do anything better than my fast 25 will.
I will put the 270 in the same basket with the 243 and the manbun as they don't do anything for me either.
Bob

 

[Flewis]

@Flewis
Frank just get a cheap 2nd hand Savage short action a profit barrel and do the job yourself. Cheap and easy plus there's no such thing as an inaccurate Savage.
Bob

There might be one that doesn’t shoot we’ve just never heard of one.

 

[Flewis]

@CoElkHunter
Despite all Jack O'Connor raving about how good the 270 is I just can't really see a use for one. After using one I don't think it will do anything better than my fast 25 will.
I will put the 270 in the same basket with the 243 and the manbun as they don't do anything for me either.
Bob

Come on the 270 will break eggs sometime.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

My 270wsm shoots the 160 nosler partitions at 3245fps. Kills just fine. Marketing is a great thing. Gets everyone excited in a positive way.

@Mountaineer
Just because advertising says it's a good thing don't mean a thing.
Look at the 243, Winchester advertised that thing to death saying how good it is but it is a pos.
People still believe crap. Tell enough lies often enough and people believe it.
Bob

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

I’m hearing even heaver, I’ve seen I think 180’s already.

@Flewis
Frank Woodleigh makes a nice 180gr .277 bullet.
Bob

 

[Inline6]

True, sorta.

New bespoke guns, yes, you are going to pay $10,000 and resell it for $3000.

BUT, I'm the guy that bought it from you for $3000. And on a given day in the years to come, my family will sell it for $4500. It's the nature of almost every high end item. 1.) Massive depreciation, 2.) If desirable, slow increase in value from the deepest valley of value loss.

Same with Bamboo fly rods. Or 20 year old classic cars.

The difference is, the plastic and stainless stuff (in general, not just guns) never seems to have the "bounce back" that the premium finished and hand finished items have.

I realize we've gone a bit off target of the 27 nosler, but it sort of goes together. A rich man and a poor man can both own beautiful guns perfect for hunting that are "functional art". Just the same, the rich man and the poor man can buy plasticfantastic whether a $300 savage or a $3500 nosler. In both of the latter cases, no heir is fighting past a stream of others trying to get that $10,000 gunwerks rifle that's fifteen years old unless they really need tomato stakes in the springtime.

With the direction our country is heading, I'm just praying our kids will still have the rights to own them at that point in time. As much as people don't like the plastic guns and the AR platforms on this site. A full auto goes up in value every year beating a good many markets.

My guns are tool, more than investment. I'm not sure my boys will ever put in the effort into the training to see what these are capable of. It just is what it is at that point.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

At one time I would only walnut and blued steel, now I just can’t take them out in the rain, snow, mud, brush and rocks. It like abusing a 60’s vett or charger or any from that area. I still have nice guns, but have learned that pretty is as pretty does . Frank

@Flewis
As I have said get some Gilleys gun wax, coat everything as per instructions and take your timber and blued steel hunting. If they get a scratch it's just another story of a good hunt.
Bob

 

[Flewis]

@Flewis
Frank Woodleigh makes a nice 180gr .277 bullet.
Bob

Thanks Bob, i knew I read that someplace. Frank

 

[Flewis]

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@Flewis
If you can't find one build one. Plenty of 243s screaming to be rebarrelled to a real calibre..
Bob

But my tomatoes!!!

 

[Inline6]

Thanks Bob, i knew I read that someplace. Frank

Sierra makes a 175 TGK as well, it is a long bullet with good SDs. In just needs a 1-8 twist to run them.

 

[Hogpatrol]

Sierra makes a 175 TGK as well, it is a long bullet with good SDs. In just needs a 1-8 twist to run them.

Berger makes a 170 gr. hunting bullet, minimum twist 1-9 or faster. Good match for the 27 Nosler.