.45-70 for Elephant

[crs]

Quaticaman,
There has been a continuous stream of talk about what cartridges are legal in Africa.
There are also laws that prohibit speeding, poaching, selling drugs, and looking the other way to avoid actually seeing a law being broken.
Even with my limited experience hunting in Africa, all the outfitters and DGPHs that I met are very practicable about which gun and cartridge. More than once they were quite curious about the Winchester leverguns I used - UNTIL they saw them used! Same story, but in spades for our bullet testing Safari.

The use of modern bullets (such as North Fork and Punch solids) allowed even the old, weak, tired .45-70 shoot through the ele head and into the body.(DRT) That was frontal , not side brain shot for those that know the difference in bone structure.
BTW, I do not recommend the .45-70 cartridge as an elephant round. There are many better choices.
One better choice was my 1886 .45-90 shooting 450 grain North Fork solids and Punch at 2150 fps!
Just because these rifles look like Cowboy guns, does not mean they are not up to the job in competent hands and with proper loads and bullets.

 

[Forrest Halley]

Until I read this forum, I was unaware that animals could actually catch certain calibers and throw them back at you. I think we should all adopt a signature line of Minimum Manly Caliber: X, so that we can avoid continual reeducation on the merits of our own unique individual pet calibers. I'm guessing that a simple thing such as this will reduce global warming, prevent the purchase of at least two .243 Winchester rifles and about six .45-70 lever actions, and save countless toes from getting stepped on.

 

[ChrisG]

There are plenty accounts of the 45-70 taking elephants. It's been proven multiple times but you refuse to believe it. The truth is you guys suffer from little penis syndrome where you need the biggest baddest most expensive rifles to get the job done. Either you just can't accept the fact that a cheap american rifle can lay the smackdown on your beloved african game even though it's been proven over and over again or you're trying to justify your purchase of an expensive rifle that barely gets used. Either way you guys are in denial and need to get over it.

I actually started laughing at this because it CAN'T be a real post right? Troll. Which is too bad. We don't get many of those here.

The irony is, THIS is exactly what the OP said happens on other forums when you attack the .45-70. It has nothing to do with it being american. A .45-120 is american and loaded in a modern rifle, replicates a .450 nitro which IS adequate for elephant.

Or maybe we should throw a big 'Merican diesel powerstroke F350 into a Formula One race and tell everone you dont need none of them 'spensive hoyty toyty F1 cars cuz this thing'll beat 'em all round the track cuz it's 'Merican muscle!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Until I read this forum, I was unaware that animals could actually catch certain calibers and throw them back at you. I think we should all adopt a signature line of Minimum Manly Caliber: X, so that we can avoid continual reeducation on the merits of our own unique individual pet calibers. I'm guessing that a simple thing such as this will reduce global warming, prevent the purchase of at least two .243 Winchester rifles and about six .45-70 lever actions, and save countless toes from getting stepped on.

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Until I read this forum, I was unaware that animals could actually catch certain calibers and throw them back at you. I think we should all adopt a signature line of Minimum Manly Caliber: X, so that we can avoid continual reeducation on the merits of our own unique individual pet calibers. I'm guessing that a simple thing such as this will reduce global warming, prevent the purchase of at least two .243 Winchester rifles and about six .45-70 lever actions, and save countless toes from getting stepped on.

.35 Whelen? Bob!

 

[Sarg]

Well being "Merican" it will make it around the track but it might not win lol !

 

[Tanks]

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It does no good to argue with the 45-70 crowd because their minds are fixed, firmly in their head in the sand along with the ostrich. Ignorance is not an indication of one’s intelligence! It simply means a person simply doesn’t know something. The stubourn resistance to information that corrects that lack of knowledge is another matter all together!

Hey now, Chris Pratt used a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 in Jurassic World to shoot dinosaurs which are bigger than an elephant.

 

[CoElkHunter]

I actually started laughing at this because it CAN'T be a real post right? Troll. Which is too bad. We don't get many of those here.

The irony is, THIS is exactly what the OP said happens on other forums when you attack the .45-70. It has nothing to do with it being american. A .45-120 is american and loaded in a modern rifle, replicates a .450 nitro which IS adequate for elephant.

Or maybe we should throw a big 'Merican diesel powerstroke F350 into a Formula One race and tell everone you dont need none of them 'spensive hoyty toyty F1 cars cuz this thing'll beat 'em all round the track cuz it's 'Merican muscle!

Well, crs has the insight and real world hunting experience with his big bore lever actions. Maybe not ideal in all situations, but if he says they work on the big stuff, I believe him and more power to him! Look what Teddy Rosevelt did in the day with his .405 using marginal bullets? BTW, I think a diesel F350 properly chipped and aspirated could hold it’s own in NASCAR, not Formula racing. I just put a cold air intake on my old Ford 7.3l and now want to chip it. Silly boys and their toys! Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[CoElkHunter]

Hey now, Chris Pratt used a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 in Jurassic World to shoot dinosaurs which are bigger than an elephant.

Ha! Ha! And I’ll bet that short barreled Marlin kicked the crap out of him. I’ve shot my buddy’s and I’ll take my CZ .458WM ANY and ALL day over that mule kicking bastard!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

.35 Whelen? Bob!

@CoElkHunter
Don't involve me in this pissing competition. It's above my pay grade.
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
Don't involve me in this pissing competition. It's above my pay grade.
Bob

Ha! Ha! Ha!

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

Well, crs has the insight and real world hunting experience with his big bore lever actions. Maybe not ideal in all situations, but if he says they work on the big stuff, I believe him and more power to him! Look what Teddy Rosevelt did in the day with his .405 using marginal bullets? BTW, I think a diesel F350 properly chipped and aspirated could hold it’s own in NASCAR, not Formula racing. I just put a cold air intake on my old Ford 7.3l and now want to chip it. Silly boys and their toys! Ha! Ha! Ha!

@CoElkHunter
@bit of shit and a bit of board and you can have a ford
Found
On
Rubbish
Dump.
Ford's is in the same class as the 243. No real practical use..
As for chipping it the best chip for i t is a metal shredder and turn it into chips that can be melted to be used to m a ke REAL cars.
Bob

 

[Wyatt Smith]

What year 7.3 CEH? We had a 2000 with bigger injectors and a chip, it was very impressive. Although towards the end of its career the steering was so loose you’d crap yourself if you tried to run it hard.

 

[ChrisG]

To be fair, I wasn't insinuating that Fords were junk, merely that an F-350 can't match a $40M F1 car with 800bhp/ton and a million dollar brake job.

Just like a 45-70 can "get around the track", but it doesn't really have the stuff to compete with real elephant guns.

 

[CoElkHunter]

@CoElkHunter
@bit of shit and a bit of board and you can have a ford
Found
On
Rubbish
Dump.
Ford's is in the same class as the 243. No real practical use..
As for chipping it the best chip for i t is a metal shredder and turn it into chips that can be melted to be used to m a ke REAL cars.
Bob

Ha! Ha! Ha! My 2002 F250 with only 130k on it has NEVER left me stranded even with 15” of snow ( and chains) on the nastiest one mile of 4 wheel trail before the trail head while elk hunting. The guys with their Chevys told me they wouldn’t take their trucks down that trail! No guts, no glory, FORD! Ha! Ha!

 

[ChrisG]

In the interest of accuracy, an F1 car has 1,150 bhp/ton in case anyone ever gets that question in trivial pursuit... so sorry if I have led anyone's board game astray.

 

[CoElkHunter]

What year 7.3 CEH? We had a 2000 with bigger injectors and a chip, it was very impressive. Although towards the end of its career the steering was so loose you’d crap yourself if you tried to run it hard.

2002. My steering is a little loose, but I don’t care at this point. But I think there’s an aftermarket thing for the steering issue? This has the front and rear suspension leaves and not springs, so the “death wobble” isn’t an issue like it may be for 2005? and newer.

 

[Wyatt Smith]

Ours didn’t have the “death wobble” it just had about a half a revolution of steering wheel slack.

 

[Bob Nelson 35Whelen]

2002. My steering is a little loose, but I don’t care at this point. But I think there’s an aftermarket thing for the steering issue? This has the front and rear suspension leaves and not springs, so the “death wobble” isn’t an issue like it may be for 2005? and newer.

@CoElkHunter
My Nissan 4x4 is a 1997 model with 340,000 km on the clock and the steering is still tight. Might not be flash or fantsy bet still gets the job done.
Bob

 

[CoElkHunter]

Ours didn’t have the “death wobble” it just had about a half a revolution of steering wheel slack.

Oh, that’s a nasty steering problem. I’m surprised it didn’t wreck? I wouldn’t have even driven that truck.