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No clue where the market will close today.. but right now its freaking booming.. DOW is up 6%+, S&P up 7%+, and NASDAQ up close to 10%... DOW is back at 40K...

My guess is it will be a continued roller coaster for another week or two, but it may well settle right back where it was at the end of March and all of the hysteria will have been for naught..
 
With what has happened to China this week regarding tariffs and having to sell treasuries to support the yuan and equities. Countries are going to have to make a choice. Do they get in the queue or play hardball raising the stakes. Not a pleasant position to be in. Fighting a deficit country with massive buying potential is a hard trade war to win.
 
With what has happened to China this week regarding tariffs and having to sell treasuries to support the yuan and equities. Countries are going to have to make a choice. Do they get in the queue or play hardball raising the stakes. Not a pleasant position to be in. Fighting a deficit country with massive buying potential is a hard trade war to win.

With 70 in the que already, Im not sure any remaining countries of any significance have any real choice at all... they would get left behind.. and Eric Trumps warning that the first people to make deals would come out smelling like roses and the last to come to the table could come out smelling like shit would prove itself to be true..
 
With what has happened to China this week regarding tariffs and having to sell treasuries to support the yuan and equities. Countries are going to have to make a choice. Do they get in the queue or play hardball raising the stakes. Not a pleasant position to be in. Fighting a deficit country with massive buying potential is a hard trade war to win.

This is our "big stand" with China, for better or worse. You said it perfectly. The stakes are higher than ever.

90 day pause WITH baseline 10% tariff for every country...except for China.

Today is good but there will be more volatility.
 
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With 70 in the que already, Im not sure any remaining countries of any significance have any real choice at all... they would get left behind.. and Eric Trumps warning that the first people to make deals would come out smelling like roses and the last to come to the table could come out smelling like shit would prove itself to be true..

India, UK, EU, MX and I believe CAN all made immediate calls and scheduled meetings. Vietnam, Cambodia, and some other smaller trade partners did as well.
 
Every nation was hoping every other nation would stay out and not negotiate. and they could all squeeze the US together. but once they saw everybody coming to the table, there was a flood. you have no leverage if you’re the only one out there on a limb with China.

But once again, China does not care. they are not coming to the table. They need this excuse to blame all their financial woes on Trump. Also, I’m afraid it gives them the excuse to now go seize Taiwan. Most likely a naval blockade. Not a land invasion. Taiwan is screwed.
 
With 70 in the que already, Im not sure any remaining countries of any significance have any real choice at all... they would get left behind.. and Eric Trumps warning that the first people to make deals would come out smelling like roses and the last to come to the table could come out smelling like shit would prove itself to be true..

Agree completely.

America has set itself up completely at odds with China regarding trade. Do countries want to side with China who for decades have taken advantage of them and will continue to take advantage of them or with America who they have taken advantage of in the past but will be imposing a 10% tariff to rebalance trade.

Bessent and his entire economic/trade team are doing an amazing job. Trump said he would do this thirty years ago if he was President. This time he picked an incredible team to implement the plan. Saw this meme that seems to fit the moment.

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Every nation was hoping every other nation would stay out and not negotiate. and they could all squeeze the US together. but once they saw everybody coming to the table, there was a flood. you have no leverage if you’re the only one out there on a limb with China.

But once again, China does not care. they are not coming to the table. They need this excuse to blame all their financial woes on Trump. Also, I’m afraid it gives them the excuse to now go seize Taiwan. Most likely a naval blockade. Not a land invasion. Taiwan is screwed.
Trump would send warship escorts to Taiwan. I dont think Trump is going to take any crap from China
 
Every nation was hoping every other nation would stay out and not negotiate. and they could all squeeze the US together. but once they saw everybody coming to the table, there was a flood. you have no leverage if you’re the only one out there on a limb with China.

But once again, China does not care. they are not coming to the table. They need this excuse to blame all their financial woes on Trump. Also, I’m afraid it gives them the excuse to now go seize Taiwan. Most likely a naval blockade. Not a land invasion. Taiwan is screwed.

As Chinas economy suffers, Xi is going to be under internal pressure. A wag the dog scenario is certainly more on the table.
 
No clue where the market will close today.. but right now its freaking booming.. DOW is up 6%+, S&P up 7%+, and NASDAQ up close to 10%... DOW is back at 40K...

My guess is it will be a continued roller coaster for another week or two, but it may well settle right back where it was at the end of March and all of the hysteria will have been for naught..
Impossible, can’t be…. Heard right here that it’s tanked……
 
Every nation was hoping every other nation would stay out and not negotiate. and they could all squeeze the US together. but once they saw everybody coming to the table, there was a flood. you have no leverage if you’re the only one out there on a limb with China.

But once again, China does not care. they are not coming to the table. They need this excuse to blame all their financial woes on Trump. Also, I’m afraid it gives them the excuse to now go seize Taiwan. Most likely a naval blockade. Not a land invasion. Taiwan is screwed.
Xi cant afford to be perceived as weak or bowing to Trumps will... I don't think he has a choice other than playing hardball.. which I suspect is what Trump wanted and intended (he has hated the Chinese for 40 years.. he wants to see US/China relations soften)...

Im not convinced on Taiwan though.. That would be a bold move by Xi.. and might be just as bad for China as Putins invasion of Ukraine has been for Russia..

Manage to take Taiwan quickly and easily and Xi would have a colossal win under his belt..

But if anything delayed Chinas ability to actually own Taiwan for 2-3 years, Chinas economy would get crushed, and their military might suffer some of the same problems Russias has..

While the US owes China a lot of money, what the US owes is just a tiny fraction of what the rest of the globe owes to China.. most of the money owed to China isn't readily or easily collectable.. its largely tied up in developing countries throughout Africa and Asia..

And while it is true that the world owes China a lot of money.. its also true that China owes the world a lot of money... its debt is currently over 300% of its GDP.. (FWIW, we think the US debt to GDP ratio is insane at 122%.. I cant imagine what sort of wizardry has to take place for China to remain afloat at 300%)..

Most of the US money owed to China isn't actually owed to China at all.. it has been financed through bilateral loans made by the UK and Japan..

So what happens when the US decides "screw China.. we'll just pay Japan and the UK back directly".. and the rest of Chinas debtors like Pakistan, Turkmeinistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Zambia, etc.. says "hey Xi.. sorry.. we're happy to give you some more "stuff".. but we don't have any actual money to help finance your economy or your blocade of Taiwan"...

China now cant pay its 300% of GDP debts.. its economy is already incredibly fragile.. and while it has a huge military, in many ways it mirrors Russias (old technology, under trained personnel, centralized leadership, etc)...

And since the entire developed world is still very much reliant on the Taiwan chip industry... There would be no faster or better way to see Americans, Canadians, Brits, French, Germans, etc all come together to solve a much, much bigger problem than the tariff concern that they're all upset about right now..

A blockade of Taiwan, if Xi didn't play his hand absolutely perfectly could be another 9/11.. an event that unifies an otherwise disparate group of nations against a common enemy that is seen as a threat to all..

I think Taiwan becomes seriously vulnerable in another 5-10 years.. China definitely wants Taiwan.. but Taiwan is far too valuable to the rest of the world right now..

The US and several other countries are moving incredibly fast to expand their chip and semi conductor industries... multiple factories are being built in the US, Japan, South Korea, Germany, and the Netherlands are all building significant additional capacity right now..

Once the world isn't all that reliant on Taiwan for a key component in pretty much every laptop, tv, phone, automobile, etc..etc.. there might come a time when the world wont be all that interested in protecting Taiwan.. and might just let China have it..
 
^^^^ I agree. Trump would rather keep raking in the cash from the China tariff. And damaging their economy.

Once the bond market rebounds the market should get another boost.


Now that we are not all going to starve. A little levity perhaps? I don’t care who you are this is funny.

 

Depends on how you want to measure debt as a % and/or a ratio...

That said.. IMF says US debt is $121T.. a number that no one else on earth reports.. every reliable source shows the US debt sitting at about $35T.. The IMF further reports that the US has a GDP of $30T+ (that's a fairly reliable number that many other sources report)...

While the IMF also says the China debt is $85T with a GDP of $19.5T...

so.. no matter how you come up with a %.. its pretty obvious that the US owes less debt than China, and has a much larger GDP than China.. and that while the US is absolutely inverted, that China is outrageously inverted..



What China does have going for it is its economy has been growing at a faster rate than most of the rest of the worlds (Europe, US, etc)... the problem is that growing economy is propped up on a significant number of bad practices and is extremely fragile.. they've taken big risks in hopes for big pay offs.. but.. if things break.. they are screwed..



Multiple reliable sources below stating China has a 300% debt to GDP ratio:




FWIW I worked at the World Bank for a bit of time in the early 2000's and spent A LOT of time both at the IMF (their HQ is literally across the street from the World Bank and there is a tunnel underneath the street that connects the two buildings) and a lot of time on the road with the President of the World Bank and the President of the IMF (the organizations obviously work very closely together.. and we often traveled together to attend things like the G7, G8, G20, WEF, WTO, etc..etc..)

Im not an economist...

But after working very closely with WB and IMF economists for a period of years.. I trust them to give us viable, accurate, and relevant economic data as much as I trust that Putin loves peace and Steve Rinella has become a vegan..
 
Trump might flash a gun by the pokertable but is he ready to use it?.

Selectively.. I think the answer is yes..

I don't believe he wants WWIII, which is what an armed conflict with China would bring to all of us..

But if China made a military move against Taiwan.. I do believe he would respond militarily..

What that looks like? I truly don't know..
 
"That's true about damage to the streets, especially from Tanks."

I'm not poking fun at you Brent - I assume it was an autocorrect thing. But I read that first sentence with the capital T and pictured our AH forum member tearing up D.C.'s streets.

:ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

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