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[375 Ruger Fan]

An interesting read from a MSM publication: Harris is in trouble

The Collapse of Kamala Harris | Opinion

Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for their predicament.

www.newsweek.com

 

[WAB]

An interesting read from a MSM publication: Harris is in trouble

The Collapse of Kamala Harris | Opinion

Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for their predicament.

www.newsweek.com

I sure hope the author is right!

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Can you think of any instances where American intervention has not helped? I can. .......yet at the time, people were soooo convinced that it was right..........FWB

Exceptions to the rule do not disprove the rule. It’s really quite simple when you think about it. Also, you say “the time” and “it”, to which incident are you referring? I can think of more than one

 

[sgt_zim]

I agree tanks, nuclear is clean and the answer as I see it , but apparently out of line with the general plan of the elitist klaus schwab controllers, there is a big push too eliminate dams in general, especially on the Columbia river, they already took one out on the klamath in N. CA. now the salmon can die and rot in peace.

Molten salt is the way to go. Thorium is cheap, abundant, 95% of the fuel is used, and there's no good way to convert it to a weapon.

"We" should have started doing that in the 70s when we were kids.

 

[Tanks]

California really should just be it's own Country. It obviously doesn't want to follow the Constitution of the United States.

Still better than places like NJ, NY, IL, MA etc. for gun owners. But yes, a member of CA legislature is on record about CA not following the Constitution. 9th Circuit gives CA a lot of cover.

 

[BSO Dave]

I specifically said "I am not talking about cheap labor". You seem to dwell on the idea of foreign labor being "cheap". That is not my experience and I'll wager i have a lot more experience with all labor.

I don't believe I have dwelled on anything??

I would never reject your opinions based on your own individual experiences. However, I think you are painting with wide brush in regard to generalizing all foreign workers having a better overall work ethic...

It has been my personal experience that work ethic, as it relates to immigrants, is much more aligned to specific cultures. Without specifically naming or signaling out any particular cultures, I can assure you that while some foreigners come here with a great desire to work hard, others definitely do not... And, while I am sure that a significant percentage the 10-30 million who have come here illegally in recent years are here to work hard, there are just as many who are here for the promised entitlements. They have no desire to be productive Americans because they have not been required to earn the right to be here...

It's also my experience that work ethic and the quality of the character of these immigrants is related to their ability and desire to assimilate to American culture. For example, I am married to a second generation Cuban-American. Her parents fled Castro's regime and came to the US with nothing. They very quickly went to work beginning with manual labor. They also quickly learned English... In short order, and with no help from the government, saved their money and re-established the small business that had been taken from them. They thrived in America by embracing the opportunity with great appreciation. They taught their daughter the same work ethic and instilled the value of personal freedom that is the American Dream that was available to them.... Lack of that appreciation and the blatant unwillingness to assimilate is proof to me that many of these current immigrants have no desire to work hard and become productive, valued citizens.

 

[Red Leg]

I don't believe I have dwelled on anything??

I would never reject your opinions based on your own individual experiences. However, I think you are painting with wide brush in regard to generalizing all foreign workers having a better overall work ethic...

It has been my personal experience that work ethic, as it relates to immigrants, is much more aligned to specific cultures. Without specifically naming or signaling out any particular cultures, I can assure you that while some foreigners come here with a great desire to work hard, others definitely do not... And, while I am sure that a significant percentage the 10-30 million who have come here illegally in recent years are here to work hard, there are just as many who are here for the promised entitlements. They have no desire to be productive Americans because they have not been required to earn the right to be here...

It's also my experience that work ethic and the quality of the character of these immigrants is related to their ability and desire to assimilate to American culture. For example, I am married to a second generation Cuban-American. Her parents fled Castro's regime and came to the US with nothing. They very quickly went to work beginning with manual labor. They also quickly learned English... In short order, and with no help from the government, saved their money and re-established the small business that had been taken from them. They thrived in America by embracing the opportunity with great appreciation. They taught their daughter the same work ethic and instilled the value of personal freedom that is the American Dream that was available to them.... Lack of that appreciation and the blatant unwillingness to assimilate is proof to me that many of these current immigrants have no desire to work hard and become productive, valued citizens.

I think you are both correct. I also would never question Bob's pretty vast experience with hiring labor in fairly diverse areas of the country. Generally his experiences mirror both mine and the experience of my brother-in-law in Kansas who has owned a large construction business for decades. Spanish speaking labor tends to be extremely dependable and extraordinarily hard working. There isn't a labor heavy business anywhere in this part of the country that isn't primarily Hispanic, and typically Mexican, and the actual hammer to nail business. What unreliability that does manifest itself is often induced by our own chaotic emigration system as a false SSN or other documentation inevitably is noticed.

He would certainly agree with Bob that the least dependable manual labor is a native born American - black or white. Which is to some extent irrelevant because there aren't enough if them to populate the manual business model in most of the country.

That said, there does seem to be some real differences in some of the more recent emigres arriving from Central America and South America. These people are abandoning failed socialist regimes. I do believe that creates a different mindset among a people fleeing one paternalistic economic and social system hoping to find another one that takes better care of them. it is hard to find individuals more critical of the recent influx than Mexicans - whether citizens or illegals.

 

[ActionBob]

I don't believe I have dwelled on anything??

I would never reject your opinions based on your own individual experiences. However, I think you are painting with wide brush in regard to generalizing all foreign workers having a better overall work ethic...

It has been my personal experience that work ethic, as it relates to immigrants, is much more aligned to specific cultures. Without specifically naming or signaling out any particular cultures, I can assure you that while some foreigners come here with a great desire to work hard, others definitely do not... And, while I am sure that a significant percentage the 10-30 million who have come here illegally in recent years are here to work hard, there are just as many who are here for the promised entitlements. They have no desire to be productive Americans because they have not been required to earn the right to be here...

It's also my experience that work ethic and the quality of the character of these immigrants is related to their ability and desire to assimilate to American culture. For example, I am married to a second generation Cuban-American. Her parents fled Castro's regime and came to the US with nothing. They very quickly went to work beginning with manual labor. They also quickly learned English... In short order, and with no help from the government, saved their money and re-established the small business that had been taken from them. They thrived in America by embracing the opportunity with great appreciation. They taught their daughter the same work ethic and instilled the value of personal freedom that is the American Dream that was available to them.... Lack of that appreciation and the blatant unwillingness to assimilate is proof to me that many of these current immigrants have no desire to work hard and become productive, valued citizens.

I am referring to people who specifically come here to work. Most will go back home for a vacation every 3 years or so. Most will go home to live longer term. They come here for the opportunity to work, earn money, many are sending money home to provide for their families. And some have it figured out that with the economic situations back home vs. here, they can work a few years here and retire early and comfortably back home. Not unlike the discussion on this Forum regarding members considering a move to Africa to retire.

I am not referring to the droves of humanity invited here by the Biden administration and/or whatever entity or people are working within and without this great country to overthrow from within our Capitalist society.

I'm sure that within those droves, there are many good hard working people with nothing but the best of intentions. The problem of course is the total lack of vetting and the allowance of those who come with less than good intentions. Or even to freeload off our systems.

 

[fourfive8]

Exceptions to the rule do not disprove the rule. It’s really quite simple when you think about it. Also, you say “the time” and “it”, to which incident are you referring? I can think of more than one

Jeez, more like the rule and not the exceptions. All “hiding” in plain sight, clearly visible to all except those historically, intentionally blind. Easy to name specifically. I understand why FWB hesitant to name examples for fear of getting jumped by the clique.

Same players making the same predictions/claims that have been proven to be tragically wrong. Vietnam- 10 years. Afghanistan- 20 years. Iraq- 20 years and still counting. The big elephants are still in the room, China and Iran- with our current dysfunctional (or intentionally complicit) administration and deep state having the sheeple and MSM focus on the shiny object … while knee capping our only true ally in the Middle East holding Iran in check.

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

Jeez, more like the rule and not the exceptions. All “hiding” in plain sight, clearly visible to all except those historically, intentionally blind. Easy to name specifically. I understand why FWB hesitant to name examples for fear of getting jumped by the clique.

Same players making the same predictions/claims that have been proven to be tragically wrong. Vietnam- 10 years. Afghanistan- 20 years. Iraq- 20 years and still counting. The big elephants are still in the room, China and Iran- with our current dysfunctional (or intentionally complicit) administration and deep state having the sheeple and MSM focus on the shiny object … while knee capping our only true ally in the Middle East holding Iran in check.

Some of those examples are what I had in mind when I posted last. That said I think it’s patently obvious that America’s involvement in the world has been a net positive. I don’t think you and @flatwater bill are making the same argument. I’d say you have to have a robust foreign policy with necessary involvement. Mistakes are going to be made but that’s just the way it is.

 

[flatwater bill]

Antony Blinken is the current US President. De Facto. He directs, and runs wild with no oversite from idiot Joe. His real title is Secretary of State. But he also started the companies WestExec and Pine Island to consult with, advise and assist the US military. No one knows how much money has been made in these endeavors, but it is at least the $219.2 million listed on Wikipedia, and maybe ten times that. Most of the money coming from activities stemming from the Ukraine-Russia war, but he was also the "brains" behind the Afghan withdrawl, and is a former CNN analyst. Can you think of any potential conflicts that can develop when a man makes generational wealth by promoting interventional wars? I can. We will not have even a CHANCE for peace until we get the Biden-Blinken-Harris regime the F'k out of Washington. Stay free..............FWB

 

[Rocked and Loaded]

At least Elmer Fudd new how to load a shotgun…

 

[PARA45]

Wife and I did our part.

 

[wesheltonj]

Antony Blinken is the current US President. De Facto. He directs, and runs wild with no oversite from idiot Joe. His real title is Secretary of State. But he also started the companies WestExec and Pine Island to consult with, advise and assist the US military. No one knows how much money has been made in these endeavors, but it is at least the $219.2 million listed on Wikipedia, and maybe ten times that. Most of the money coming from activities stemming from the Ukraine-Russia war, but he was also the "brains" behind the Afghan withdrawl, and is a former CNN analyst. Can you think of any potential conflicts that can develop when a man makes generational wealth by promoting interventional wars? I can. We will not have even a CHANCE for peace until we get the Biden-Blinken-Harris regime the F'k out of Washington. Stay free..............FWB

(1) I disagree about Blinken being the De Facto President, that's Berry.
(2) The reason that Trump is hated by both sides relates to the saying that "Pigs get fat and Hogs get slaughtered". They all know if Trump is elected, they are going to get slaughtered. Trump will not make the same mistake this time by keeping Administrative Staters.

 

[ActionBob]

That said, there does seem to be some real differences in some of the more recent emigres arriving from Central America and South America. These people are abandoning failed socialist regimes. I do believe that creates a different mindset among a people fleeing one paternalistic economic and social system hoping to find another one that takes better care of them. it is hard to find individuals more critical of the recent influx than Mexicans - whether citizens or illegals.

I only have some indirect experience with a Cuban couple locally here in the Hill Country. And I think they were here before the Biden Administration came into power. She is a great worker but pregnant with twins so no more working. The husband works for a local painter and professes to need work because he has twins coming and his wife can no longer work. They also have an 8 year old who speaks perfect English. So we hired the painting company expecting even better work ethic than we recieve from Mexican and Guatemalan workers.

The owner of that company went on vacation and asked that we allow the Cuban to work by himself on an outbuilding. He put in about 20 hours per week..... Very nice people, just don't seem to know what hard work and long hours are. Or care about quality of work. Plenty good at complaining

Another note, I had 13 Russian J-1 workers way back. Most were good, post communist students who wanted to work and learn and build a future for themselves. But somehow a 34 year old guy slipped in. I ended up sending him back after he professed to having seen a cow with a major problem but not telling anyone nor doing anything to help her.

I got a call from the administrator of that program telling me I could not call him a f#%$ing Russian...... I replied i did not call him that. I called him f#%$ing Communist because that is what he is!

 

[Wheels]

If this continues, perhaps there is a chance at peace in Gaza if the hostages are returned.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847649908569895322

 

[Wheels]

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

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Pretty cool!

 

[flatwater bill]

@Wishfulthinker580 Ya, those general and ill defined words leave a lot of latitude, don't they. What;s my favorite intervention history lesson?
I like Viet Nam. Killing the democratically elected president, faking the Tonkin Gulf incident, and killing 58,000 Americans. And 1 million children of a lesser God. Worked great.
What's yours? Afghanistan? How'd that go? You happy with the 700 armored vehicles lost to the Taliban? 63,000 Advance Combat Optical Gunsights?
Or how about Libya? That country doing fine after we bombed it? Killed Gaddafi though.
Maybe Haiti? We overthrew the govt there in 2003 (and again in 2004) then "soft intervention" followed by having the Clinton's destroy their economy in favor of Arkansas rice production (look it up) Now it's a paradise, right? 10% of their pop fleeing to the USA
Or maybe Syria. We funded training for 10,000 rebels to attack Assad from 2012 until Trump stopped it in 2017 under CIA operation Timber Sycamore....at the cost of $1 billion per year.
Maybe further back...? Guatemala? Iran? Chile? Cuba?
Visited any of them lately? I have.
Enlighten me. Which of the above do you favor?................FWB

 

[Wishfulthinker580]

@Wishfulthinker580 Ya, those general and ill defined words leave a lot of latitude, don't they. What;s my favorite intervention history lesson?
I like Viet Nam. Killing the democratically elected president, faking the Tonkin Gulf incident, and killing 58,000 Americans. And 1 million children of a lesser God. Worked great.
What's yours? Afghanistan? How'd that go? You happy with the 700 armored vehicles lost to the Taliban? 63,000 Advance Combat Optical Gunsights?
Or how about Libya? That country doing fine after we bombed it? Killed Gaddafi though.
Maybe Haiti? We overthrew the govt there in 2003 (and again in 2004) then "soft intervention" followed by having the Clinton's destroy their economy in favor of Arkansas rice production (look it up) Now it's a paradise, right? 10% of their pop fleeing to the USA
Or maybe Syria. We funded training for 10,000 rebels to attack Assad from 2012 until Trump stopped it in 2017 under CIA operation Timber Sycamore....at the cost of $1 billion per year.
Maybe further back...? Guatemala? Iran? Chile? Cuba?
Visited any of them lately? I have.
Enlighten me. Which of the above do you favor?................FWB

So you think I’m defending obvious mistakes? That’s not what I’m doing at all. I’m just capable of seeing the forest for the trees. You’ve obviously drunk the isolationist koolaid